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[garbitsch]

moosie, the Armenian army controls the corridor between Karabakh and Armenia. You know Karabakh is an enclave within Azeri territory and the Azeri lands between Karabakh and Armenia are occupied by the Armenian army... Besides, Karabakh is controlled by Armenia and even once Karabakh president Kocharian now serves as Armenian president.

[YeReVaN]

Of course you should feel intense pain and anger... if I was in your position I would feel exactly as you do, and even more so since the perpetrators deny it. Unlike some others, I recognise that there was a huge massacre by Turkish troops of Armenians at that time and in order to wipe the slate clean, the Turkish government of today should recognise that fact. I don't think they should be required to apologise for it, because it was a different place and time and you then get into questions of how far back we should apologise for everything... but they should at least attone for what happened. The best way to do that? Erdogan should engage in dialogue with the modern Armenian state and seek closer ties between the two nations, through student exchanges, closer economic collaboration, support for Armenian membership of the EU etc. A more visible step would be for the leaders to meet and place wreaths on national war monuments to recognise all those lost.

However... on the flip side, you as an Armenian also have to recognise that similar crimes were committed by Armenian militia against Turkish civilians in the region - not on the same scale it's true, but in my book one human life taken is one too many. I don't support the line taken by some on here that the Nagorno-Karabakh situation represents a genocide of Azeri's, most of the information I've seen points to this being more of a struggle for self-determination (in which the Karabakhians did most of the fighting with only logistical support from Armenia proper) than an Armenia land-grap at Azeri expense. In fact, from the latest information I've heard, the Karabakhians are essentially demanding self-government, not union with Armenia.
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Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem

It seems to me you are the only one who knows what your's talking about.
And yes Karabacktsis demans self-government, not union with Armenia

[cannedmoose]

I'm only saying what I've heard and seen... what the real truth is, is anyone's guess...

[YeReVaN]

Of course you should feel intense pain and anger... if I was in your position I would feel exactly as you do, and even more so since the perpetrators deny it. Unlike some others, I recognise that there was a huge massacre by Turkish troops of Armenians at that time and in order to wipe the slate clean, the Turkish government of today should recognise that fact. I don't think they should be required to apologise for it, because it was a different place and time and you then get into questions of how far back we should apologise for everything... but they should at least attone for what happened. The best way to do that? Erdogan should engage in dialogue with the modern Armenian state and seek closer ties between the two nations, through student exchanges, closer economic collaboration, support for Armenian membership of the EU etc. A more visible step would be for the leaders to meet and place wreaths on national war monuments to recognise all those lost.

However... on the flip side, you as an Armenian also have to recognise that similar crimes were committed by Armenian militia against Turkish civilians in the region - not on the same scale it's true, but in my book one human life taken is one too many. I don't support the line taken by some on here that the Nagorno-Karabakh situation represents a genocide of Azeri's, most of the information I've seen points to this being more of a struggle for self-determination (in which the Karabakhians did most of the fighting with only logistical support from Armenia proper) than an Armenia land-grap at Azeri expense. In fact, from the latest information I've heard, the Karabakhians are essentially demanding self-government, not union with Armenia.
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Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem

It seems to me you are the only one who knows what your's talking about.
And yes Karabacktsis demans self-government, not union with Armenia

[YeReVaN]

moosie, the Armenian army controls the corridor between Karabakh and Armenia

To ensure the security of karaback

[Murtaza]

moosie, the Armenian army controls the corridor between Karabakh and Armenia

To ensure the security of karaback

Yerevan are you wanting peace or war?

[YeReVaN]

Besides, Karabakh is controlled by Armenia

false, karaback is controlled by karaback army

[YeReVaN]

Yerevan are you wanting peace or war?

Of course peace

[Murtaza]

Yerevan are you wanting peace or war?

Of course peace

Than Let me tell how can you peace.
Firstly we have to finished this Genocide arguments.
If there is a genocide I think Turkey should accept this. But without Turkish belief about the Genocide, You cant wait from them to accept Genocide.
So Erdogan proposal is an opportunity.
I understand you think we are just try to gain time.
But As You can perfecly see, we wont enter EU before the 2014. And I am almost sure we wont enter EU never.

Second I think you should stop to want some of our land. Because I dont think without war any country give his lands. I understant that place are your historical places. But It is the place where we now live also. So I think our lifes are more important then your history.

I dont know what happened in Karabakhians, But it should be find an answer too. But this is your problem with azeries.
I am sure you will choose this problem with talking.

This are the last think Turkey do about Armenians. If you accept peace, If you dont you have to war Turkey for your wish. I dont say, You have no chance for gaining war, But I think you have not more chance than Turkey.
And with this conficts, It was the Armenia people who suffer.(I dont know if you are in Armenia)

[YeReVaN]

We will never stop talking about the Armenian Genocide untill the justice is served.