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[YeReVaN]

So you guys in Armenia believe you have the right to go and occupy Azeri lands commit a genocide at the same time under the beleif that they use to be Armenian lands, well i guess the true barbarians are obvious and europe and the rest of the world can see this

It's our land. Karabagh was never historically azerbajiani lans. Do you know about azeri slaughter of Armenians in Sumgait?

[garbitsch]

Well said Murtaza... yerevan, the young turks were not more good to Turks either... it was a fascist regime i shall admit and the slaughtering Armenians was a shame. I think Turkey is ready to appologise, but we will never accept that 1,500,000 people were murdered becaue the Turks wanted to get rid of Armenian race... Do you think we deny every thing? If so, then your eyes are so blind because of the systematic propaganda by the Armenian government.

[garbitsch]

So you guys in Armenia believe you have the right to go and occupy Azeri lands commit a genocide at the same time under the beleif that they use to be Armenian lands, well i guess the true barbarians are obvious and europe and the rest of the world can see this

It's our land. Karabagh was never historically azerbajiani lans. Do you know about azeri slaughter of Armenians in Sumgait?

East Turkey was historically Armenian land. Are you going to conquere these lands too?

[YeReVaN]

East Turkey was historically Armenian land. Are you going to conquere these lands too?

I'm surprise you know that, because if you ask most turks they will tell you that Armenia is Turkish land

[Murtaza]

East Turkey was historically Armenian land. Are you going to conquere these lands too?

I'm surprise you know that, because if you ask most turks they will tell you that Armenia is Turkish land

Now yes It is!
In Past we were not even in Anatolia.

[garbitsch]

It used to be Armenian, now it is part of Republic of Turkey... Do you have a problem with that also?

[YeReVaN]

Yes I have a problem with that.

[Murtaza]

Yes I have a problem with that.

Than this problem goes forever.
I thing argument is finished.
There wont any need for words.
You should take that land with force.
Good luck. Have chance

[cannedmoose]

Moose, I don't know what you did to care about my rights, but at the same time I can feel your pain because my grandfather's whole family were taked out at night from their house and butchered by Turks. My grandfather saw with his own eyes his fathert get beat then get shot in the head. His mother was molested, then got her hand cut off, just for the amusement of Turkish soldiers. My grandfather was the only on to survive. And untill his death, he woulld get nightmares about it. Now tell me? How can I not feel anger? How can I not feel sorrow? 1.5 million of my ancestors got bruttally murderes. And the murderes deny it ever happened. That is like double slap in the face.

Of course you should feel intense pain and anger... if I was in your position I would feel exactly as you do, and even more so since the perpetrators deny it. Unlike some others, I recognise that there was a huge massacre by Turkish troops of Armenians at that time and in order to wipe the slate clean, the Turkish government of today should recognise that fact. I don't think they should be required to apologise for it, because it was a different place and time and you then get into questions of how far back we should apologise for everything... but they should at least attone for what happened. The best way to do that? Erdogan should engage in dialogue with the modern Armenian state and seek closer ties between the two nations, through student exchanges, closer economic collaboration, support for Armenian membership of the EU etc. A more visible step would be for the leaders to meet and place wreaths on national war monuments to recognise all those lost.

However... on the flip side, you as an Armenian also have to recognise that similar crimes were committed by Armenian militia against Turkish civilians in the region - not on the same scale it's true, but in my book one human life taken is one too many. I don't support the line taken by some on here that the Nagorno-Karabakh situation represents a genocide of Azeri's, most of the information I've seen points to this being more of a struggle for self-determination (in which the Karabakhians did most of the fighting with only logistical support from Armenia proper) than an Armenia land-grap at Azeri expense. In fact, from the latest information I've heard, the Karabakhians are essentially demanding self-government, not union with Armenia.

[garbitsch]

Then keep having that problem. An ant cannot defy an elephant. If you want the border to be opened and flow of aids from Turkey, then you should stop claiming Turkish territory.