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[Piratis]

The Turkish "occupation" of Cyprus has been continuing due to the Greek no vote to the Annan plan, which was appreciated by the UN and the EU.

Annan plan was just that, a plan, which now is null and void. This is not the case with the UN resolutions that describe your "TRNC" as illegal, call for the respect of the sovereignty of RoC etc. So it is OCCUPATION and not "occupation".

Turkey has an expansionistic policy against Cyprus and Greece and this is crystal clear no matter how many excuses you give.

Your image about being not so civilized will change when you start acting in a more civilized way, not by propaganda and excuses.

[garbitsch]

You cannot believe that Turkey can do something positive. That is your problem. I am sure, when the Cyprus problem and Aegean issues are solved, you will keep claiming that Turkey still has expantionist policies. And there is no more point to discuss things with you on this issue, since you seem you won't compromise. Just because you think it is "cristal clear", it doesn't make it such.

P.s: You cannot decide whether we are civilised or not.

[brother]

WILL ATHENS GIVE UP ON THE HAGUE? BY SEDAT ERGIN (HURRIYET)



Columnist Sedat Ergin comments on Greek-Turkish relations and disputes over the Aegean Sea. A summary of his column is as follows:

“The 29th ‘exploratory’ meeting between Turkey and Greece was held in Ankara last month.

The most comprehensive mechanism of negotiations between Turkey and Greece is now three years old.

The negations were previously conducted by then Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Ugur Ziyal and then Greek Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Anastese Skopelitis.

While Skopelitis still represents the Greeks, Ambassador Ali Tuygan has succeeded Ugur Ziyal as Turkey’s representative.

So, how far have we come after 29 rounds of talks with Athens?

The series of negotiations aims at settling disputes over the Aegean Sea. Since the talks are not yet over, it can be said that the disagreements have endured.

In recent years, we’ve seen a shift in the policies of both countries. In the past, Athens would demand that all disputes be resolved at The Hague, because it believed that mechanisms of international law would work in its favor. Meanwhile, Turkey would act in an irresolute manner.

In 1996, when then Prime Minister Mesut Y<breve>lmaz made a number of proposals including applying to The Hague Tribunal, a shift in our foreign policy became obvious.

Ankara has been following the same flexible policy since the beginning of the exploratory talks. This time, Athens is the one dragging its feet on the matter.

According to the European Union’s official document Agenda-2000, border disputes involving EU candidates are to be solved by The Hague Tribunal. At last December’s EU summit in Brussels, Greece demanded that unsolved disputes be carried to The Hague only ‘if necessary.’ Thus Greece revealed its reluctance to carry matters to the tribunal.

Results of the exploratory talks will also be made known to the EU. This way, the EU will have an idea of what was discussed in the meetings.

Contrary to all expectations, Turkey didn’t face any difficulties on the Aegean issue during last December’s EU summit. The ‘exploratory’ mechanism initiated by Ambassador Ziyal in 2002 has clearly neutralized all our troubles over the Aegean and smoothed Turkey’s way to the EU.”


I felt that this was relevant to the discussion you guys are having.

[Piratis]

P.s: You cannot decide whether we are civilised or not.

We can decide not to let anybody uncivilized to enter the EU.

You can try to excuse your expansionistic policy against us, and your propaganda might convince some that want to be convinced (e.g. UK - US). But such propaganda will never convince us, so you better start changing your policy instead of giving excuses.

[garbitsch]

We can decide not to let anybody uncivilized to enter the EU.

Please use your vetos then.

There aren't any expansionist policies on the side of Turkey. There are misunderstanding and misinterpreting the agreements. This can only be solved through bilateral agreements.

[brother]

Don't you love it when some think that tiny ROC seems to think it has some power in the E.U, we saw in december that you will do as you are told, now be a good boy and go sit down and be quiet.

[garbitsch]

Keep bandwagoning RoC!

[brother]

ARMENIAN AMBASSADOR: “THE ARMENIAN DIASPORA CREATED THE GENOCIDE ISSUE”
Armenian Ambassador to the European Union Viguen Tchitechian said on Tuesday that the genocide issue had been created by Armenians living abroad in the diaspora. Speaking to the European Parliament’s Interparliamentary Cooperation Commission meeting in Strasbourg, Tchitechian said that he did believe a “genocide” had occurred, but added that the responsibility for this should not be put on the shoulders of modern Turkey and the Turkish nation. Stressing that some 3 million Armenians were living in Armenia, while some 5 million others were living abroad in the diaspora, Tchitechian stated that the diaspora had made the matter into a problematic issue. /Turkiye/

[Fadix]

Armenian “genocide” in The Washington Post



Published: 3/8/2005



BY YILMAZ OZTUNA

TURKIYE- The Washington Post is one of the world’s best-known newspapers. It became particularly famous back in 1974, when it forced President Richard Nixon to resign. Nixon’s crime was that he had secretly taped conversations and denied knowledge of a matter which he actually knew full well about. Actually such things are considered common functions of the government in most countries.

Sunday’s Washington Post published a list of ‘mass murder of civilians in acts of genocide.’ Near the top of this list was the Holocaust. However, the article’s assertion that 1.5 million Armenians were killed during the Ottoman reign is a political lie. It’s an example of hostility against Turks, and it’s purposeful.

In 1915, the total number of Armenians living under Ottoman rule was 1 million. During that time, Armenians living in Istanbul and western Anatolia were barely touched. Those living in the east, southeast and central parts of Anatolia were exiled to other regions of the empire such as Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. During their departure, Kurdish tribes, who had suffered great losses because of them, constantly attacked the Armenians. The number of Turkish soldiers assigned to guard the Armenians on their way was inadequate. Therefore, they could not prevent Kurdish assaults on the Armenians. Some 10,000-15,000 Armenians died during those attacks. No more than that. However, the death toll reached 200,000 with losses due to epidemics and poor conditions. The rest of the Armenians settled in Arab lands. After World War I, they emigrated to France, America and the rest of the world. If all of them had been killed, there wouldn’t be any Armenians in these countries now.

Turkey has never had a governmental policy of ridding itself of any religion, sect, race or group. But our country treats people who challenge the state, assault its security forces and kill innocent citizens the same as any civilized country. True, 200,000 Armenians died during the exile. But the number of Turks, Circassians and especially Kurds that lost their lives was even greater. You don’t come across events in our history similar to what the US did to its Japanese citizens during World War II, how Eisenhower treated the surrendering German Army, or what France did in Algeria.

Looking over the last 90 years, the West has a great deal more slaughter, brutality and destruction to be ashamed of. If only we could prevent such tragedies from happening again…

What a load of trash we have here.

[Fadix]

ARMENIAN AMBASSADOR: “THE ARMENIAN DIASPORA CREATED THE GENOCIDE ISSUE”
Armenian Ambassador to the European Union Viguen Tchitechian said on Tuesday that the genocide issue had been created by Armenians living abroad in the diaspora. Speaking to the European Parliament’s Interparliamentary Cooperation Commission meeting in Strasbourg, Tchitechian said that he did believe a “genocide” had occurred, but added that the responsibility for this should not be put on the shoulders of modern Turkey and the Turkish nation. Stressing that some 3 million Armenians were living in Armenia, while some 5 million others were living abroad in the diaspora, Tchitechian stated that the diaspora had made the matter into a problematic issue. /Turkiye/

This above information in not accurate, his words were manipulated by the Turkish press.