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by **YeReVaN** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:36 pm

International scolars have already said that it was a GENOCIDE. Accept the proposal for what? To please Turkey? The historians have already concluded that it was a GENOCIDE. You think the Armenian Government is stupid? WE KNOW THAT ERDOGAN'S PROPOSAL IS JUST A GAME. TURKEY WANTS TO BUY TIME FOR THE ENTRY TO EUROPEAN UNION. IN OTHER WORDS FOR THE TIME BEING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE PROBLEM WOULD FREEZE FOR SOME TIME AND TURKEY WOULD HOPE THAT THIS WOULD SPEED UP THEIR ENRTY TO EU. AND SECONDLY TURKEY WILL TRY TO STOP OTHER COUNTRIES FROM OFFICIALLY RECOGNISING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE BY SAYING THAT TURKEY AND ARMENIAN ARE STUDYING THE ISSUE. I'M VERY SOOR THAT THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT VERY MUCH KNOWS THAT IT WAS A GENOCIDE. THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO BUY TIME.

by **Murtaza** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:51 pm

YeReVaN wrote:International scolars have already said that it was a GENOCIDE. Accept the proposal for what? To please Turkey? The historians have already concluded that it was a GENOCIDE. You think the Armenian Government is stupid? WE KNOW THAT ERDOGAN'S PROPOSAL IS JUST A GAME. TURKEY WANTS TO BUY TIME FOR THE ENTRY TO EUROPEAN UNION. IN OTHER WORDS FOR THE TIME BEING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE PROBLEM WOULD FREEZE FOR SOME TIME AND TURKEY WOULD HOPE THAT THIS WOULD SPEED UP THEIR ENRTY TO EU. AND SECONDLY TURKEY WILL TRY TO STOP OTHER COUNTRIES FROM OFFICIALLY RECOGNISING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE BY SAYING THAT TURKEY AND ARMENIAN ARE STUDYING THE ISSUE. I'M VERY SOOR THAT THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT VERY MUCH KNOWS THAT IT WAS A GENOCIDE. THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO BUY TIME.

Oh pls pls
So we should just accept something we didnt believe?
Do you think when All Turk arent believing genocide our goverment can accept it?
You are politicaly pressure Turkey, and tell him accept genocide.Do you think this is the way?

The historians have already concluded that it was a GENOCIDE.( We see what happened who didnt accept genocide)

You are forcing to accept genocide. You dont try to persuade, You use your lobby and try to generate a false genocide.

Do you realy think, even All world accept genocide, Turkey will accept it?

You dont act friendly.

You are just loseing your ground with refusing proposal.
Now all world know, who lied them.

You try to put a law in Belgium for refusing So-called Armenian Genocide. and you are telling me "scolars have already said that it was a GENOCIDE". Why are you afraiding? why are you afraiding from truth?

Accept to proposal than we will learn if there is a genocide.
Put a time limit or so on.

Turkey will enter EU 2010 if can enter.
I wont think, Historian discussion will long so much.

I think you are playing game. And you are fleeing from truth.

With the laws and parlementory decision you cannt rewrite history.

by **cannedmoose** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:04 pm

Can't believe this old chestnut is still going... agree to disagree and move on folks... :roll:

by **YeReVaN** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:11 pm

LOL. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. I SUGEST YOU GO LEARN SOME HISTORY(SOME ENGLISH WOULDN'T HURT EITHER). HOW CAN A NATION OF 3 MILLION PEOPLE PRESSURE BIG COUNRIES TO ACCEPT THE GENOCIDE IF IT WAS NOT TRUE? AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COUNRIES THAT HAVE NOT YET RECOGNIZED THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS. KEEP DREAMING THAT TURKEY WOULD JOIN THE EUROPEN UNION IN 2010 WITH ILLEGALY CLOSING THE ARMENIAN BORDER AND DENYING THE GENOCIDE. JUST REMEMBER, THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS.

by **Murtaza** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:16 pm

YeReVaN wrote:LOL. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. I SUGEST YOU GO LEARN SOME HISTORY(SOME ENGLISH WOULDN'T HURT EITHER). HOW CAN A NATION OF 3 MILLION PEOPLE PRESSURE BIG COUNRIES TO ACCEPT THE GENOCIDE IF IT WAS NOT TRUE? AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COUNRIES THAT HAVE NOT YET RECOGNIZED THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE IS BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS. KEEP DREAMING THAT TURKEY WOULD JOIN THE EUROPEN UNION IN 2010 WITH ILLEGALY CLOSING THE ARMENIAN BORDER AND DENYING THE GENOCIDE. JUST REMEMBER, THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS.

Why just we dont listen our british Moose friend, without the acceptance of Erdogan's proposal, There wont be any agreement between you and me. So we are just wasting Moose time for reading this.

JUST REMEMBER, THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS.

Lets hope this.

by **garbitsch** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:42 pm

YeReVaN wrote:By the way by closing the border and not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, you are not doing yourselves any favor. You are NEVER going to join the European Union if you keep the border closed and deny the Armenian Genocide.

Turkey will never become member of EU anyway... so why to give concessions and get nothing? We do not get hurt by closing the border and not recognising the genocide. Who gets hurt? I leave the answer to you.

By the way, have you heard of Bernard Lewis, Halil Inalcik and Stanford Shaw?

by **garbitsch** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:51 pm

YeReVaN wrote:Turks don't go to Armenian to study the archieves because they have no desire to see the truth. Armenian archieves have always been open. Many international used the archieves. The problem is that your government is bs-ing you . Your schools are brainwashing you with the help of your government. . Other than turkish sourses you try to look to third party sourses and you will gradually realise how much your government lied to you.

Don't worry, I've well checked the third party sourCes, and I've found out that there are many historians who argue that there have been no genocide of Armenians in Turkey. As I said before, there have been murderings and human rights abuses of Ottoman Armenians, but still this wasn't a planned genocide by the Ottoman government to get rid of the Armenian race from the earth.
How many Armenians dared to visit the Ottoman archives? There are records of Armenians who had been forced to leave their homes and they were around 400k. And the whole Armenian population was around 1,200,000. How comes 1.500.000 Armenians were murdered? There are documents proving that the Ottoman governments had kept the houses of Armenians and even sold the lands and put the money they were worth into banks, and in a case when Armenians turned back to their homes this money would be given them back with the houses they were forced to abandoned. These are shown in the archives. Do Armenian archives show that there was a planned extermination of the Armenians???

by **YeReVaN** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:31 pm

You are full of crap. There are documents huh? That's what your bull shit government sais. I can't do anything but to laugh at your brainwashed stupid ass. It's not worth waisting my time on you. No matter what anybody said it's not gonna go thrue your thick head anyways. And I suppose you saw all those documents personnally right? LOL

by **Murtaza** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:32 pm

YeReVaN wrote:You are full of crap. There are documents huh? That's what your bull shit government sais. I can't do anything but to laugh at your brainwashed stupid ass. It's not worth waisting my time on you. No matter what anybody said it's not gonna go thrue your thick head anyways. And I suppose you saw all those documents personnally right? LOL

garbitsch You asked for it! I will genocide you!

by **YeReVaN** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:34 pm

By the way I know your government did not tell you that they found new documents of Talat Pasha ordering destruction of Armenian villages.

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