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[Main_Source]

Dawn, if you want to learn about the cyprus issue, I would go to http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/ .Its seems to be the most balanced study I have read on the Cyprus problem.

[brother]

Still waiting for an answer to my question

[garbitsch]

I am not surprised if there are no scholars in USA who are against the genocide. After all, the professor Stanford Shaw's house in CA was bombed by Armenian terrorists. That's why he had to leave the country.

Oh please, so all the scholars and historians who have given numerous speeches and written books on the genocide did it so they won't get bombed???!!! All the 126 Holocaust scholars were scared of getting bombed? How about the member of International Association of Genocide Scholars? They too, were scared of getting bombed? And for your information, these weren't only Americans. See, you're not making sense again! Lack of "critical thinking" is all I have to say about your post.

I was refering to America. It is true that in USA, there is a huge pressure from Armenians over the scholars who are against the genocide. This is a fact. I didnt say that the scholars who support it did so because of the pressure. I said, the ones who are against it do not raise their voices, because of the fear that their houses might be bombed! IT's you who are lack of critical thinking. Read my previous posts. I am not saying that the Turks were not guilty. They were. But during that war period, the Armenian terrorists had also engaged in brutal actions against the Turks and Kurds in the region. YOU and other Armenians reject this. Just like they reject the massacres in Khojaly.

[Dawn]

I am not surprised if there are no scholars in USA who are against the genocide. After all, the professor Stanford Shaw's house in CA was bombed by Armenian terrorists. That's why he had to leave the country.

Oh please, so all the scholars and historians who have given numerous speeches and written books on the genocide did it so they won't get bombed???!!! All the 126 Holocaust scholars were scared of getting bombed? How about the member of International Association of Genocide Scholars? They too, were scared of getting bombed? And for your information, these weren't only Americans. See, you're not making sense again! Lack of "critical thinking" is all I have to say about your post.

I was refering to America. It is true that in USA, there is a huge pressure from Armenians over the scholars who are against the genocide. This is a fact. I didnt say that the scholars who support it did so because of the pressure. I said, the ones who are against it do not raise their voices, because of the fear that their houses might be bombed! IT's you who are lack of critical thinking. Read my previous posts. I am not saying that the Turks were not guilty. They were. But during that war period, the Armenian terrorists had also engaged in brutal actions against the Turks and Kurds in the region. YOU and other Armenians reject this. Just like they reject the massacres in Khojaly.

Well, the thing is, many historians and scholars in the U.S. don’t take a neutral stance on the Armenian genocide. They recognize the genocide and condemn it. If what you said was the case, and they were “scared of getting bombed” (I still can’t believe you said that!) they would take a neutral stance, and not favor either side. Not give numerous speeches, lectures, and write books on it!

About the khojaly incident, though I don’t think it should to be discussed in this thread, I’m sure you know the date, if not, it happened on February 25-26, 1992... However, do you also know what happened on February 27-28 of 1988? Exactly four years prior to khojaly ? It was the Pogroms of Armenians in Sumgait, a town by Baku, by Azeris. You know what happened? Azeri thugs broke into apartment buildings with prepared in advance lists of Armenian tenants residing there. 53 people were set afire alive after being savagely beaten! Many women, among them minor girls, were raped. It was horrible. We don’t talk about it much, because we’re still struggling with the genocide recognition. Now, the Khojaly incident was wrong as well, no doubt… but it was a revenge thing. You can’t just sit back and watch others step on you forever. Again, I condemn both incidents, but when you’re bringing up Khojaly, please mention what happened prior to that, that lead to the incidents in Khojaly.

Still waiting for an answer to my question

Can you repeat the question, I can't find it (If you were asking me the question)...


Main_Source, thank you for the site.

[garbitsch]

If what you said was the case, and they were “scared of getting bombed” (I still can’t believe you said that!) they would take a neutral stance, and not favor either side. Not give numerous speeches, lectures, and write books on it!

Again, I am not saying that the scholars who supported the Genocide, did so because of the pressure. But the ones who are against, or who hold neutral insantce keep their silence because of the pressure by Armenian lobby.
As for the Khojaly incident, that's my stupidity to bring that into this discussion. Appologies.
I just want you to know what I think about this issue. You might have read my previous posts. I do not believe that there was a systematic killings of Armenians by the Ottoman government. I do not believe that the Young Turks wanted to get rid of Armenian race from the world. What I believe that these people were forced to leave their homes and on their way they died because of starvation etc and because of the attacks by the Turkish and Kurdish guerillas. I also think the Turkish government should appologise for the mistreatment of Armenians and the ones who had died for whatever reason. BUT again I am against the usage of "genocide", because the Ottoman Turkish government were not aiming at killing every Armenian.

[brother]

QUESTION FOR DAWN OR ANY ONE ABLE TO ANSWER:

WHY HAS ARMENIA INVADED AZERBEYCAN AND IS ILLEGALLY OCCUYPYING AZERI LANDS?

That is my question, thanks in advance for answering

[Red Brigade10]

Armenia didn't invade Azerbaijan.Armenia as a state never oficialy ''waged a war'' against Azerbaijan.The only Armenians which participated in the liberation of Garabakh were volunteers.Which means a bunch of volunteers defeated the Azeri army, not Armenian soldiers neither the Armenian State.Plus Azerbaijan is an artificial nation created by the Turks less than 100 years ago.There was never such thing as Azerbaijan untill 80 years ago.In the whole region of Azerbaijan there are Armenian and Caucasian Albanian ancient monuments and Churches , which Azerbaijani state is trying to destroy.
Garabakh was part of Armenia , untill mr Joseph Stalin at 1923 made it a federation inside Azerbaijan , which means Garabakh never belonged to the Azeris either way.
The only reason Turkey is supporting Azerbaijan is because of the petrol.
Regarding the Armenian Genocide, there is nothing really to talk about since it is already prooven and accepted by the vast majority of the historical community.Turkey is lucky that Armenia was under the Soviet sphare of influence all these years , that's the only reason that the Armenian Genocide was not accepted and was ignored by the ''Western'' countries during the Cold War , up untill the early 90's.

[brother]

So these volunteers where did they get the millatary training and weapons to beat a state army.

[garbitsch]

The God gave them the weapons and the skills

[Red Brigade10]

It doesn't matter at all where the volunteers got their military training from the moment that the Armenian Goverment never was officaly involved in the war.They went to help the men of Garabakh in free will and they defeated the Azerbaijani tyrany.