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It's started, the UK and TK trade Agreement!

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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:06 am

Once you sign away your rights getting them back becomes way harder, not easier as you suggest.

The island will be permanently militarised as there is no way that the Greek Cypriots will trust the Turks so we will be always on a war alert.

We will never trust Turkey anyways. The difference is that with a good solution or no solution we will at least have the right to defend ourselves, we will have a state that can challenge Turkey when Turkey acts in a hostile to us way, and Turkey will not have any excuses to invade again.
On the other hand with a bad solution we will not have the right to defend ourselves, the TCs will be able to block any attempt to challenge Turkey in EU, UN or anywhere else and, even worst, Turkey through their TC minority will be able to create deadlocks and conflicts, like they did in the 60s.

Actually what you suggested, to accept something unfair and try to change it later, is the excuse that Turkey found to start the conflict in the 60s. So how can you suggest to do the same again?

Any solution today, with the current balance of power, will be a bad solution for us. Thats the bad news.
The good news is that the UN, EU, USA, Russia, China or any country that matters will never recognize the pseudo state and it will remain an illegally occupied part of Republic of Cyprus.
The other good news is that Turkey is a very unstable country, torn between east and west and a clear direction, with a big Kurdish minority that sits on a lot of oil, and an arrogance which inevitably will cost them dearly.

Write this down and remember me when I say that the balance of power will not always favor Turkey, and that within our lifetimes we will see it shift. I believe that in the long run a smaller, weaker and more manageable Turkey will become a necessity for those that have the power to enforce this. The fact that the Kurds sit on a lot of oil and are willing to fight for their lands when supplied with weapons and support will make this split much easier (for the outsiders).
When the balance of power will change, then we can take back our lands and implement a normal democratic system in Cyprus. And please don't tell me that if we don't rush for a solution now partition will be "cemented". These are just threats to scare the naive. If Turks today are trying to illegally undo 3500 years of Greek Cypriot history, then be sure it will be very easy to undo 50 or 60 years of illegalities when we will have every right to do so.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:40 am

Your optimistic viewpoint towards creating a GC state extending all over the island should be applauded but your doom and gloom scenario is way out of line, these are all hollow threats which hold no water Turkey will be around for a long time well after you and I are pushing up daisies.

We can survive as we are for many years to come Piratis and little cracks are starting to appear in your armour with regards to imposing isolation in the North, yesterday Turkey UK agreement and today FIFA are considering allowing the TCs to play with other countries. You are not stupid and know full well that this is how things happen and the EU will not fall foul to your games which you displayed against us in the 1960s, its a totally different ball game now and thanks to you guys you have brought in the EU factor who will slap every opportunity for not acting or thinking like Europeans. You will fall into the trap that you tried to set us and Turkey by using the EU to gain leverage but Turkey once again has proved a resilient and determined enemy for you, she will not yield to your little games and will move forward maybe not in 5 years time but in 20, there's absolutely no rush.

You still have problems understanding that 1974 changed the whole structure of Cyprus, division like it or not has brought about a peaceful existence for both communities and people are reluctant on both sides not only the north to go back to how it was, nothing will ever be the same and you will have to learn that if you want this island united you will have to compromise and accept change which you may not like but so will we, that's what compromise is, you cannot have it all your way we are 2 equal communities partners, if we are ever to unite you have to accept that we will have an equal say to what goes on on this island.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:55 am

Nikitas wrote:Wood Green! Good Lord, I lived near there for 13 years.



Whats Good Lord about it. It is little Cprus (or was) after all. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:32 am

Viewpoint, your "peace" idea of "kill and ethnically cleanse everybody so there will be nobody more to kill and therefore no more killings" is something only Turks can understand.

While maybe a few allies of Turkey might overlook the crimes and illegalities you commit in Cyprus, thats not enough for Turks to legalize the occupation of our country.

Personally I am convinced I will live to see a free Kurdistan and a free Cyprus. You trying to gain our land by means of invasions and brute force will fail in the end. Just wait and see.

Cyprus will be free either you Turks like it or not.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:42 am

Piratis wrote:Viewpoint, your "peace" idea of "kill and ethnically cleanse everybody so there will be nobody more to kill and therefore no more killings" is something only Turks can understand.

While maybe a few allies of Turkey might overlook the crimes and illegalities you commit in Cyprus, thats not enough for Turks to legalize the occupation of our country.

Personally I am convinced I will live to see a free Kurdistan and a free Cyprus. You trying to gain our land by means of invasions and brute force will fail in the end. Just wait and see.

Cyprus will be free either you Turks like it or not.


Piratis I do not believe in killing anyone and if I had my way I would give back land and property tomorrow but my fear is what will happen to us under a GC administration where the past tells us that GCs are so devious they will twist and turn crushing us under so called EU "norms" excluding us from, you yourself immediately claim that if we were to unite under 1960 agreements your would move to have our rights watered away, this is exactly they type of attitude that prevents us from looking at you as possible partners in a united Cyprus. We need safeguards and heavy preventative measure to ensure you are not allowed to bring us to a position where we will be excluded from running our country, until we find that balance we can stay as we are for many years to come.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:
phoenix wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:I have been saying "It's started" for how long?

Now some are starting to agree.

Good morning...or...would it be better to say.....good night? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Eric, do not be so happy. If a clear division was concluded then the big loosers of this story will be the Tcs.In two years their president will be the Mustafa from Anatolia.


So? shoudnt you be more concerned about losing 37% of your island than whats going to happen in the north?


Well, Viewpoint at least you acknowledge it is our island.

So now YOU know and ADMIT what we have been saying all along!

You are taking something that is NOT YOURS!

What does that make you . . . . a THIEF!


You still dont get it do you?, this island is as much yours as it is mine we do not deny that fact, but you physically lost 37% and we lost 63% capice, you cannot steal whats already yours, all that gonna happen now is that you will lose again offically this time as your arrogance and stubborness will once again be your downfall. Keep up the good work.


This post show what Iam trying to explain to many Gcs.Turks considering that we lost 37 per cent BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY LOST 63 PER CENT!!!!

This is the real picture of their policy- even division is not their plans now-they want more!!!THEY WANT FULL PARTNERSHIP FOR ALL ISLAND
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:03 am

Piratis I do not believe in killing anyone and if I had my way I would give back land and property tomorrow but my fear is what will happen to us under a GC administration where the past tells us that GCs are so devious they will twist and turn crushing us under so called EU "norms" excluding us from, you yourself immediately claim that if we were to unite under 1960 agreements your would move to have our rights watered away, this is exactly they type of attitude that prevents us from looking at you as possible partners in a united Cyprus. We need safeguards and heavy preventative measure to ensure you are not allowed to bring us to a position where we will be excluded from running our country, until we find that balance we can stay as we are for many years to come.


Can you believe this guy. They stole our lands, violate our rights and then they say we are the devious ones, so we deserve it :lol:

I especially liked the "crushing us under so called EU "norms", part.

Sure, we will "crash" you with EU norms, democracy and human rights. Turks are allergic to these things so terrible things will happen to them and the devious GCs will be responsible :lol:
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Postby oranos64 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:07 am

EPSILON wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
phoenix wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:I have been saying "It's started" for how long?

Now some are starting to agree.

Good morning...or...would it be better to say.....good night? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Eric, do not be so happy. If a clear division was concluded then the big loosers of this story will be the Tcs.In two years their president will be the Mustafa from Anatolia.


So? shoudnt you be more concerned about losing 37% of your island than whats going to happen in the north?


Well, Viewpoint at least you acknowledge it is our island.

So now YOU know and ADMIT what we have been saying all along!

You are taking something that is NOT YOURS!

What does that make you . . . . a THIEF!


You still dont get it do you?, this island is as much yours as it is mine we do not deny that fact, but you physically lost 37% and we lost 63% capice, you cannot steal whats already yours, all that gonna happen now is that you will lose again offically this time as your arrogance and stubborness will once again be your downfall. Keep up the good work.


This post show what Iam trying to explain to many Gcs.Turks considering that we lost 37 per cent BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY LOST 63 PER CENT!!!!

This is the real picture of their policy- even division is not their plans now-they want more!!!THEY WANT FULL PARTNERSHIP FOR ALL ISLAND



exactly ...so we settle down and say OXI ...or we say ..ok ..you keep that ...i dont want Turkish cypriot neighbours ,i dont want to see them in the morning ...i lived in north london for a long time and i dont want a repeat ...dont want the scummy shits in my neighbour ...dont need more unwashed in my town than we already have

i am happy to wake up in the morning and look around my neighbourhood and see Cypriot Greek flags ,orothodox flags ,etc ...i dont want to hear wailing etc ,i can hear the church service every sunday morning and evenings ...no complaints etc

it is better to stay the way we are ..gain visiting rights to vist the north .the TRNC the same ...restricted .... but we accepte like arabs do in isreal.

before any of the G.C start preaching my family have lots of land in famagusta ,i can see it via google earth ...some of it built on ......if its worth $50k back in the day and now i get $150 k ....thats cool ...

i dont want change ... i dont want another kosovo ...that is what the U.S ,Turkey and U.N want ... they want us to mix,fight again and then they will stirr it up ... i have been there ,i saw what happened ...our cultures do not mix ...this is propganda by communists and do gooders ,who pretend every thing is ok ...then at the sign of troubles will beg for U.N intervention ....

wake up all of you ...smell the coffee ...the T.C.s dont want to mix ..they want .EU membership thats all ...nothing else ..they are fed hate daily by their media ,by there local reps ...the Grey wolves are bearing their teeth again in keyrenia ...paid for and helped by the military nutters there ..

so if they offer us $4-9 billion in a couple of years (U.N_.we vote yes ...keep our side ...take the money ,.investment it in our hospitols ,our schools ,our infrastructure and we move on ... no more tears ...

time our people learnt to contend with the cards we are dealth with ...

christ some of you should come with me to lebanon ..i have met people who have lost their family and their homes 3 times ...

WE HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH ...WE MUST AS A PEOPLE ,MOVE ON AND LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES ,NO MORE NICE GUYS ..


chin up people ...
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:18 am

Piratis wrote:
Piratis I do not believe in killing anyone and if I had my way I would give back land and property tomorrow but my fear is what will happen to us under a GC administration where the past tells us that GCs are so devious they will twist and turn crushing us under so called EU "norms" excluding us from, you yourself immediately claim that if we were to unite under 1960 agreements your would move to have our rights watered away, this is exactly they type of attitude that prevents us from looking at you as possible partners in a united Cyprus. We need safeguards and heavy preventative measure to ensure you are not allowed to bring us to a position where we will be excluded from running our country, until we find that balance we can stay as we are for many years to come.


Can you believe this guy. They stole our lands, violate our rights and then they say we are the devious ones, so we deserve it :lol:

I especially liked the "crushing us under so called EU "norms", part.

Sure, we will "crash" you with EU norms, democracy and human rights. Turks are allergic to these things so terrible things will happen to them and the devious GCs will be responsible :lol:


If you think that the EU "norms" are be all and end all then you are every mistaken, go to Poland, Estonia or Romania and see how these "norms" dempcracy and human rights have helped these people, they are open to manipulation and interpretation, and knowing you GCs well you will use every trick in the book to ensure we are excluded from running our country and erasing any clauses which will stop you from reaching your goal of reducing our community rights to nothing. Well hear this we will not let you Akritas 2.

Again you cannot steal what is already yours, we lost 63% of our island you only lost 37%, if you want it back you have to compromise, giving us back the 63%. You OK with that?
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Postby oranos64 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:27 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Piratis I do not believe in killing anyone and if I had my way I would give back land and property tomorrow but my fear is what will happen to us under a GC administration where the past tells us that GCs are so devious they will twist and turn crushing us under so called EU "norms" excluding us from, you yourself immediately claim that if we were to unite under 1960 agreements your would move to have our rights watered away, this is exactly they type of attitude that prevents us from looking at you as possible partners in a united Cyprus. We need safeguards and heavy preventative measure to ensure you are not allowed to bring us to a position where we will be excluded from running our country, until we find that balance we can stay as we are for many years to come.


Can you believe this guy. They stole our lands, violate our rights and then they say we are the devious ones, so we deserve it :lol:

I especially liked the "crushing us under so called EU "norms", part.

Sure, we will "crash" you with EU norms, democracy and human rights. Turks are allergic to these things so terrible things will happen to them and the devious GCs will be responsible :lol:


If you think that the EU "norms" are be all and end all then you are every mistaken, go to Poland, Estonia or Romania and see how these "norms" dempcracy and human rights have helped these people, they are open to manipulation and interpretation, and knowing you GCs well you will use every trick in the book to ensure we are excluded from running our country and erasing any clauses which will stop you from reaching your goal of reducing our community rights to nothing. Well hear this we will not let you Akritas 2.

Again you cannot steal what is already yours, we lost 63% of our island you only lost 37%, if you want it back you have to compromise, giving us back the 63%. You OK with that?



OXI OXI OXI WILL BE THE MULTITUDES RESPONCE AGAIN

1.YOU KEEP WHAT YOU GOT ...YOU UP THE FENCES AND WE GET VISITORS PASSES ...ME AND 1000S LIKE ME WILL ASK FOR THIS .... We can both cross borders ,but no more freedom of movement ...no more exploitation of Turkish cyps for cheap labour

2.WE DONT WANT TO SHARE ....THE WEB NERDS HERE ,WHOM MOST LIVE IN THE U.K .Do not speak for us cypriots

The OXI lobby has the power .....

NO MORE FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT .. this is our stance and i have lobby ready
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