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[phoenix]

Wood Green! Good Lord, I lived near there for 13 years.

Do you know the Greek School ?

You must have gone to Church, right!

Do you know Andros Costas too?

[Nikitas]

I am not a religious type of guy, when i was in London, in the 60s and 70s the most frequented church was Ayioi Pantes in Camden Town. The major Greek Cypriot area was Harringay, with plenty of coffe houses which I frequented more often than church. Greek school I did not need, due to a stubborn streak I kept up my Greek language skills and got Grade A in GCEs. (gloat!!!)

[shahmaran]

He talks about our isolations being "imaginary" and about making sense within the same thread and expects a serious reply, im just sick of regurgitating the same crap over and over again to be honest...

Why don't you describe us your isolations Shah and tell us what REAL effect they have on your life?

Even for the fact that your passports are not accepted you have 3 other options: RoC passport, Turkish passport, British passport, or even just a visa.
Has your isolation had any effect on selling stolen Gc properties and doubling your standard of living within 4 years?

Come on tell us we are full of ears.

I am still waiting to hear a sensible answer to these questions either from Shah or any other TC.

VP in this very thread said each family has 2 cars like the Gcs.
In the past VP also said the recognition it's just a state of mind...

Oh yes you are absolutely right Pyrpo, its all sweet and dandy over here, i dont know what i was thinking...

Like someone said its all "in our heads"!

[phoenix]

I am not a religious type of guy, when i was in London, in the 60s and 70s the most frequented church was Ayioi Pantes in Camden Town. The major Greek Cypriot area was Harringay, with plenty of coffe houses which I frequented more often than church. Greek school I did not need, due to a stubborn streak I kept up my Greek language skills and got Grade A in GCEs. (gloat!!!)

We used to go to Ayious Pantous in Camden Town . . . It's the one frequented by kalamarades which my mum preferred

We saw Makarios there in 1977 (I think it was).

From what you've said before I think you're about 10 years older than me . . . so we're not likely to have met.

But Andro, I would be really interested to find out if you are the same one that went to the Greek School.

[Andros]

Hi phoenix and growuptcs,

I liked your latest postings. And, no, you must be joking, I certainly am not a TC. I know a few, but I generally spend too much time travelling to spend any time with them. Unfortunately for me, the little time I've spent with any TCs were those spent arguing or trying to tell them to help the Cyprus cause and not exercise Turkish patriotism. Due to my nature of work, and I am not a lawyer by the way - although very close, I do take the opportunity in discussing the Cyprus issue with some very influential members of the stock exchange from many of the EU member countries, and listen to what they have to say in terms of the political viewpoint of the EU and the impact the emerging market is excerting on the Cyprus issue.

Thank you for the liberal compliment of opinions, where I am only trying to express my concerns of why we have failed to secure a federal unification deal even after becoming a full EU member country - it truly amazes me. Ultimately, I am getting extremely annoyed with how we are constantly held hostage by Turkey on the Cyprus issue. I don't know about you, but the Annan Plan really shook me wide. If we had said "yes", by now, the ROC would have been dissolved, our majority population would have amounted to nothing, Turkey would have legally flooded the island with so-called Kurdish refugess - eventhough we would have clearly known that they were actually Turkish and not Kurdish. Also, apart from the many other negative aspects of such a bi-zonal, bi-communal confederal deal, it would not have been a federal unification. I also bet that the world "United" would have been changed by now, perhaps to the Federated Republic states of Cyprus or the Federated Component States of Cyprus (you pick) - I can almost bet on it!

My reasoning is most certainly for the benefit of the Greek Cypriot people of the Republic of Cyprus - and for the continuation of the Republic of Cyprus, regardless of what type of deal is offerred. To even think, or accept the removal of the Republic of Cyprus is criminal. I would rather live as the republic of Cyprus and another Cypriot republic state in the north, than to "Dissolve" the Cyprus republic - that is how much love I have for my country. Therefore, I believe that if our politicians refuse to move swiftly now, I am afraid that we may soon see certain developments against our national and cultural "Cypriot" interests. Times have changed, and I can't express my concern any stronger.

By the way, I went to the the Othodox Church in Camden town when I was younger - 1965, was born in Cyprus and grew up near Warren Street. That's all I can reveal at this stage.

Andros.

[Nikitas]

Warren Street, near the ominous sounding Greek Cypriot Brotherhood (Kypriaki Adelfotis).

I am with you 100 per cent Andros, the Republic of Cyprus is vital to our survival. Under no circumstances must it be dissolved. Whatever bad things can be attributed to Papadopoulos, he at least managed to avoid taht trap for the benefit of all Cypriots, even those that do not realise it.

[phoenix]

Hi phoenix and growuptcs,

I liked your latest postings. And, no, you must be joking, I certainly am not a TC. I know a few, but I generally spend too much time travelling to spend any time with them. Unfortunately for me, the little time I've spent with any TCs were those spent arguing or trying to tell them to help the Cyprus cause and not exercise Turkish patriotism. Due to my nature of work, and I am not a lawyer by the way - although very close, I do take the opportunity in discussing the Cyprus issue with some very influential members of the stock exchange from many of the EU member countries, and listen to what they have to say in terms of the political viewpoint of the EU and the impact the emerging market is excerting on the Cyprus issue.

Thank you for the liberal compliment of opinions, where I am only trying to express my concerns of why we have failed to secure a federal unification deal even after becoming a full EU member country - it truly amazes me. Ultimately, I am getting extremely annoyed with how we are constantly held hostage by Turkey on the Cyprus issue. I don't know about you, but the Annan Plan really shook me wide. If we had said "yes", by now, the ROC would have been dissolved, our majority population would have amounted to nothing, Turkey would have legally flooded the island with so-called Kurdish refugess - eventhough we would have clearly known that they were actually Turkish and not Kurdish. Also, apart from the many other negative aspects of such a bi-zonal, bi-communal confederal deal, it would not have been a federal unification. I also bet that the world "United" would have been changed by now, perhaps to the Federated Republic states of Cyprus or the Federated Component States of Cyprus (you pick) - I can almost bet on it!

My reasoning is most certainly for the benefit of the Greek Cypriot people of the Republic of Cyprus - and for the continuation of the Republic of Cyprus, regardless of what type of deal is offerred. To even think, or accept the removal of the Republic of Cyprus is criminal. I would rather live as the republic of Cyprus and another Cypriot republic state in the north, than to "Dissolve" the Cyprus republic - that is how much love I have for my country. Therefore, I believe that if our politicians refuse to move swiftly now, I am afraid that we may soon see certain developments against our national and cultural "Cypriot" interests. Times have changed, and I can't express my concern any stronger.

By the way, I went to the the Othodox Church in Camden town when I was younger - 1965, was born in Cyprus and grew up near Warren Street. That's all I can reveal at this stage.

Andros.

Hope I didn't insult you. You have gone some way in explaining yourself to be more in keeping with a desire to not lose the RoC . . . so that's great.

I was at the Wood Green Greek school in the mid to late seventies . . . but I did not know the Camden Town Church had a school too . . . unless it was before my time.

Anyway once again welcome to the forum and carry on regardless

[Get Real!]

Warren Street, near the ominous sounding Greek Cypriot Brotherhood (Kypriaki Adelfotis).

My late grandpa had a spell in London and would always tell the story of how he caught a bus on the wrong side of “Vore stri”, as he called it, and ended up at the final terminus of god knows where! He was delivered by the police late in the evening after fainting from wondering aimlessly too long!

[Eric dayi]

Leeds isn't that bad in the right places...and yes, you're quite right about the values BUT if you don;t think you can steal something you co-own you're wrong

You have your share yet you still want more 63% is a very big portion typical greedy GCs, got you in trouble and 1974 and will do again, somethings never change.

So when do you plan to share one or two bedrooms of your house with others?

You got 6.3 of the 10 rooms and you still want mine....greedy as well as arrogant.

Right, so you want to "share" other people's property but not prepared to give up any part of your own! Have you looked at yourself in the mirror lately?

= Retarded Git on a good day.

[-mikkie2-]

Andros,

Interesting to read your views amongst all the nationalist crap that is bandied about in these forums.

I have come to the opinion that if we said yes to tha Annan plan, we may have been in a stronger position. The reason I say this is that many of the provisions of the plan that were questionable under EU law would be challenged in the EU courts. FOr example, the right to property could not just be signed away by writing a letter to the EU commission saying that Cyprus agrees not to take property cases to the Europen Courts! This is just one example.

Your views on keeping hold of the Republic of Cyprus I think are generally flawed. This is because the Republic is Bi-communal in nature and as such the Turkish Cypriots at any time could return to it even if the entity in the north is recognised. The biggest problem we have is that Turkey wants to be the master in the north and a controlling partner in the south and that is exactly what we will have in this situation.

An agreed partition would mean the Republic of Cyrpus as we know it would have to cease to exist - Treaty of Guarantee will go out of the window and the British bases would have to go. Britain can't expect to keep her bases and accept partition. We would have to draw up a new constitution. The island will be permanently militarised as there is no way that the Greek Cypriots will trust the Turks so we will be always on a war alert. You can bet top dollar that nobody would come to our aid if anything happened.

So basically, we need to keep fighting for a proper Federal settlement which will guarantee the future of both Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots on the island of Cyprus. All other avenues will unfortunately lead to disaster.