Murataga wrote: You are trying to equate your condition with ours with total neglect on the sequence of events and existing facts. (***1) I was in enclaves before you lost your property. I wasn’t allowed medicine for my children and elderly before you lost your property. (***2) I was being murdered and harassed by the contracted murderer you invited from Greece before you lost your property and before any Turkish troop was on the island. If all went on like that, it would have been alright with you. I managed to pull through, I managed to resist and secure my existence on this island – that according to you is "crime". (***3) What is more is that you got compensated for your home – your are living in 26000 GDP per capita, you got millions if not billions of dollars of aid from the EC and the World Bank, (***4) you got to eject the TC wing of the RoC from the government, (***5) you got to become a "nation" of the RoC where you navigated her to turn against her own people – the TCs. (***6)I got nothing for my lost ones (oh I am sorry – Makarios did apologize in front of the world so I guess that takes care of that) and what you stole from me. You are the aggressor trying to play the victim here. (***7) Putting up a stiff fight against the attack you launched is what you expect me to feel bad about. You can sell that in Brussells and New York where the political interests of some might be aligned with your criminal activities but it just won’t work with us, the TCs, that went through the devastation you caused to achieve your racist and hegemonic agenda.
TOTAL BULLSHIT-OUT OF CONTEXT-AND ONE SIDED ONCE AGAIN. May I remind you the isolation I talked about was for the one you are supposely having in the so called
TRash
Nc and not for the one you talk about in your enclaves in the 60s. Now how you came to that is another question. Nevetheless let’s see where you fanatism and one sided view of events has taken you.
1)It is you who neglet the sequence of events. The events did not start in 1963 they started from as back as the 1571. Piratis tongue grew hair in telling you that. For the majority of GCs the TCs are remnants of the Ottomans the very same people that in their mind oppressed them, tortured them, humiliated, raped them, took their daughters, and had their lives pending upon the constantly changing mood of the local pashas. When the British came you sided with them, you became their excecutioners hanging GC people, arresting them, beating them, and so on. You were the ones who committed the very first attack training and slaughtering of GCs and you were the ones who initiated the intercommunal conflict by the massacre of 15 GCs from as early as 1958 in Kindemenos
2)Of course you were in the enclaves before we were ethnically cleansed by your mama Turka and you grabbed our lands and properties, raped thousands of women and underaged girls, slaughtered as many as 6000 people the majority of which were armless civilians, plus another 1500 still missing… The question you should ask yourself, is why you ended up in enclaves and who wanted you to stay there, and even killed you in case you dared go out of them and mix with the GCs again. Wasn’t your own TMT leaders who did that? Wasn’t it because you wanted to create a state within a state to achieve your long planed target of taksim? Obviously the conditions for the 25,000 of you who abandoned their villages and concentrated in enclaves (here comes again your PROPAGANDA LIE that all the Tcs were kicked out -it was 1 out of 5 ONLY) were not good. You were deprived medicine, the same way any fugitive hiding himself in a cave deprives HIMSELF of everything, because he hides for his own crimes.
3)You managed o resist my ass. The truth is the GCs themseves and Makarios himself did not want to cause you any more hardships than you already suffered from our own fanatics and their Gc counterparts. Your resistance was nothing, and you could have been eradicated within 24 hours, if the GC fanatics were allowed to apply TURKISH TYPE practices of total genocide.I said it before you should have been grateful to the Priest who didn’t let them. So don’t play us the hero here….
4) We got millions if not billions in aid….. Here even the goats are laughing. What we managed to achieve over the years my dear, (and you just saw the result 30 years after-where were you to see us 1-2 years after anyway???) was from our own hard work and emigrating in other countries, working like slaves under the hot burning desert sun in the Gulf.We were not exporting stolen GC furniture TVs, refrigerators whole households after 1974, we were not living on the aid our mama was providing us, we were not destroying the gardens neither looting the factories the GCs left behind. Perhaps you feel jealous for the food and blankets and tents the Red Cross provided to almost half of us who became refugees… Other than that, yes we got loans from abroad which we paid them back from our own hard work. Feeling jealous again? Damn, you get a loan from your mama and build a decent Electricity Generator, who is holding you back 33 years now??? Your own lazyness and wanting everything ready in the plate perhaps?
5) you got to eject the TC wing of the RoC from the government…..
Your MPS themselves abandoned their positions in the Government after they recived orders from Turkey. Nevertheless they had nothing to loose they were immediately re-employed in the "government" you established in your "turkish sector"…. In the state within a state you created waiting for the Turkish ships to come and enlarge your partitionist "state"
6) The Republic was then left in the hands of the GCs just because a)Yourselves created your own state within a state in 1963, and after 1974 your mama invaded and created you the
TRash
Ncan. And yes because you were always illegal you suffer the consequences.
7) Oh my God so you are the victim now, the 120,000 TCs who today are not even more than 70,000 -less than 10% of the total population- having grabbed 37% of the richest and most productive part of Cyprus, and wasting everything to the settles who today outnumber them by 3 to 1 tells me he is the victim.
wrote: The "liberation" you are talking about was handing this island over to Greece with anything and anyone that went with it. This effort was initiated by you when no TC was fighting for uniting with Turkey. In response to your undertaking we resisted. Would you have fought with us against the British if we launched an offensive to unite with Turkey back than? You need to get your facts straight.
The 1955-59 Eoka Struggle was for both Liberation and sbsequent joining with Greece.
The number ONE AIM was for liberation. The Gcs did acieve liberation and it is because of them you got the first ever free state in Cyprus.Joining with Greece invlolved no illegal actions against the Tcs, no grabbing their lands and properties no ethnic cleansing, no outsting from their lands and properties. It was a NATURAL desire as natural as the way the Aegean islands were split between Greece and Turkey before
according to majority of their population. YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELVES WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE IF YOU WERE THE 82% OF THE CYPRIOT POPULATION. You hould ask yourselves what YOU would have done to the GCs even if they even raised their voice (let alone start committing massacres) against your desire to join Turkey. You are such a fanatic that you can never see beyond your nose.
wrote: I lied about nothing. (8**)You are just running around like a headless chicken with frustration because you didn’t expect the reality to hit you this hard. (**9)What I stated and what is exactly true word for word is that with the embargo being inflicted we can not buy/get even medicine for our babies or aspirin for our elderly directly from the rest of the world. This has been the case when we were inside the enclaves and this is the case today. (**10) All that we can get is all that Turkey helps us to acquire via Turkey. This is "usually" not financially viable unless Turkey subsidizes the merchandise. What you want is this to stop as well so we can starve to succumbing to your criminal demands. For not starving we have to apologize and stop our crime of not starving right? (**11)
Of course you LIED. I was talking about the negative effects of your o called "isoltion" in
TRash
Ncan and you dared tell me it is the same as it was in your enclaves.
9)Stop your barbaric Ottoman scenes of laughtered chicken without heads. You MAKE ME SICK.
10)The case today has nothing to do with the situation in the enclaves.Your vast majority of your medicine is NOT SUBSIDISED at all, they ARE MADE IN TURKEY, most of the times with Turkish trade name but it is still the same product. I already told you I buy some medicine from there at 1/3 of the price. Subsidies would simply mean at equal price, not 1/3rd of the price… I do agree though for some expensive medicines you get subsidies from Turkey, but you still get them. Far from not having them at all…. Therefore that’s a very minor consequence (having some medicines subsidised by Turkey) to the whole illegality and your grabbing of billions upon billions of stolen GC lands and properties and selling them to foreigners to buy your Mercedeces….
11) The only ones who have criminal demands is YOU. Most of your demands are already in direct contradiction ith the UN resolutions and EU aquis. Should we start naming them?
wrote: The damage is inflicted by you because we have resisted and are resisting ENOSIS, giving up our rights and the Hellenization of this island.
BULLSHIT The Enosis aim was abadoned from 1967, today there is no more than a marginal 2-3% of GCs who want Enosis. On the other hand though your Taksim and Turkification dream not only is still thivinng (a quick look in this very forum will convince you) but you already
TURKIFIED the occupied areas, you wiped off everything that even remotely reminded anyone of GC ownership and presense there, changed the names of towns and villages to Turkish, imported 3 times as many of your population of mainland Turkish settlers, looted the vast majority of churches, outsted 90% of the GCs enclaved in Karpasia, you even deprived the few Lebanse maronites the right to inherit their own properties.(Just because they are Christian). You are such an audacious, Turkish fanatic…
Pyrpolizer wrote: 2) The fact that you can still get all your luxuries via Turkey proves that there are no negative effects to your so called "isolation". You have absolutely no problem, the same way Antalya as a province of Turkey doesn’t have any problems either.
Murataga wrote: No, it does NOT mean that there are "absolutely no problem"s, and I have explained it to you why very clearly in three consecutive posts – do go back and read again. If you can’t handle the answers, don’t ask the questions.
I am not asking questions and stop playing me the wise guy. I was stating the simple fact that your so called "isolation" has extremely minor negative effects on you, tht outblance your own illegalities and theft by 1000 times.
THIS WAS THE POINT OF MY INITIAL COMMENT BTW which you yourself distorted and carried to resemblance of the 60s. So in case you even forgot what the initial argument was YOU should go back and read it.
wrote: S/XXX reports of the UN
True. Go back in the 60s and investigate the reasons. You had HALF of the blame.
wrote: You are welcomed your compensation for your property here anytime of the week. How do you plan to reimburse me for 44 years of embargo, lost property, lost jobs, lost political rights, lost human rights not to mention the lost lives?
My rights are NOT for financial compensation. Go read some EU aquis and some UN human rights. My rights are to get my lands and properties back, be administed by myself, and get compensation for the loss of use for 33+ years. If you think you are entitled for compensation for the 50,000 of you who abandoned their own proprties in the southern part and hn to the occupied to grab our by 5 times better properties you go to the UN or the ECHR and get a verdict. For whatever you thionk you are entitled ou get a verdict. And then we can put own the compensation you should give us and the compensation you should give you and see how well you can ever get out of it in 100+ years
wrote: My point exactly. There was no such thing as "GC refugees" when this embargo began. There were no Turkish troops when this embargo began. There was just a TC community resisting: (1) to have their rights given by the Zurich Agreement taken away from them (2) ENOSIS (3) the attacks of contracted murderers you invited by the thousands from Greece – which your criminal leader apologized for in front of the world. Congratulations, because for resisting these three you have devastated us and along the way made billions of dollars of profit off of our misery.
In fact there were GC refugees and Armenian refugees from the 63-1967 period. Who took by force all the Armenian shops and properties in the other side of Nicosia? Who outsted the GCs from Omorfita and Trachonas? The TC community was not simply resisting it was creating the conditions of a state within a state waiting for Turkey to come and split the island, ethnically cleanse the GCs and give you your own state.You had imported generals from Turkey in each and every village, hich I am sure your propaganda machine carefully hides from you. If there were imported Greek murderers there wouldn’t be only 800 TC dead within a period of 11 years, there would be 10s of thousands Mind you your own murderers have killed 400 GCs in the same period. So don’t play us the only victim here, the constant
training you receive in your illussionist open prison "state" to scream all the time, does not count here. Scream as much as you like, pretend as much as you like.
