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[Piratis]

VP, we have the right on our side, and you are acting criminally without any excuse. Thats why the illegal occupation of our country continues. We will wait for as long as is needed for justice to be served.

[Viewpoint]

VP, we have the right on our side, and you are acting criminally without any excuse. Thats why the illegal occupation of our country continues. We will wait for as long as is needed for justice to be served.

That is your right, you can wait as long as you wish but we will push for what we feel is right.

[Daemon]

Murataga speaks though his heart and some fools are trying to accuse him with bullshits because they are incapable to understand him, they have the truth with their side because their funny brainwashed bloodline has said to them the “truth” and nothing else matters (even if the whole world can’t stand them anymore).

At 63 the GC’s have destroyed the constitution that they had sign and they never even try to activate it. They was illegal until 74 and now they are speaking about laws and justice and they think what anyone will give a shit for their madness and what the bullshits that they are spreading around have any other use (think about it if you have any brains, who will ever believe what you were and are saints? and what is the use of your masturbation?) than their self enjoinment.

The TC’s was not saints but it is disgusting to accuse in this way a person that is speaking through his heart and had suffered so much while the fault is at least divided equal to both sides and the GC’s have to stop playing the innocent virgins because in the today world there are not available idiots that will ever give a shit for their bullshits. And even if I’ll accept what he was a terrorist TMT member this is not the way (the saint way) to defend against personal truths.

Ps: It is not relative with the above answer and I’m sorry that I’m back so fast but I couldn’t miss this party, it’s being a long time ago since I had so much laughing and I just can’t resist on what you have to offer but in fact I now realize what your situation is for crying and not for laughing and I can’t understand what else must happened to start being serious about the feature of your (fucked up by both) country.

[Piratis]

they have the truth with their side because their funny brainwashed bloodline has said to them the “truth” and nothing else matters

No mate, the truth is on our side not just because we say the obvious (that small Cyprus was criminally invaded by Turkey and there is absolutely no excuse for their occupation), but because the obvious was also confirmed by UN resolutions and ECHR rulings. (unless they are "brainwashed" also?)

We don't "play the virgins". I have said many time that we killed (at max) 800 TCs, so we accept the share of blame that is on our side. It is the Turks that deny their crimes and their far greater share of blame. They killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots and then they are trying to present themselves as the innocent victims that now should be allowed, as a reward, to grossly violate the human rights of 100s of thousands of innocent people and illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

On the other hand, while we have been victimized by them way way more, not just in the past but today as well, all we are asking is for democracy, freedom to our country and human rights, and not for them to be punished in any way.

[Daemon]

You were always pushing your luck (like you do now) and everyone knows it. And no the truth does not belong to anyone and everyone have his own truth. My truth is what Turkey invasion was a crime but truly I can’t see how this could be avoided when you had made everything possible to give them an invitation.

After you had made everything possible to turn NATO against you by continuing the enclave’s situation and by refusing to accept any solution it was obvious where you are going (like it is now if you continue this stubbornness). And after the first invasion you were still pushing your luck and still refusing to accept a federation solution that could stop Turkey from the second invasion and you came a long after the second invation and you accepted the only solution existed for the Cyprus problem after what happened at 63 that is the federation and this is what everyone can easily understand.

The thing is what as long as you pushing your luck and blame everyone for your situation, you are only continuing your ridiculous past.

Ps: I congratulate you if you accepting some of your mistakes, is a good start.

[Viewpoint]

they have the truth with their side because their funny brainwashed bloodline has said to them the “truth” and nothing else matters

No mate, the truth is on our side not just because we say the obvious (that small Cyprus was criminally invaded by Turkey and there is absolutely no excuse for their occupation), but because the obvious was also confirmed by UN resolutions and ECHR rulings. (unless they are "brainwashed" also?)

We don't "play the virgins". I have said many time that we killed (at max) 800 TCs, so we accept the share of blame that is on our side. It is the Turks that deny their crimes and their far greater share of blame. They killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots and then they are trying to present themselves as the innocent victims that now should be allowed, as a reward, to grossly violate the human rights of 100s of thousands of innocent people and illegally occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

On the other hand, while we have been victimized by them way way more, not just in the past but today as well, all we are asking is for democracy, freedom to our country and human rights, and not for them to be punished in any way.

Would that be democracy and human rights administered by GCs bearing a grudge for the Ottomans and 1974 who cannot be trusted to act fairly towards all its citizens? We need plenty of safeguards to ensure GCs do not misuse their numerical advantage to make us do anything against our will. How will you manage this Piratis?

[Piratis]

You were always pushing your luck (like you do now) and everyone knows it. And no the truth does not belong to anyone and everyone have his own truth. My truth is what Turkey invasion was a crime but truly I can’t see how this could be avoided when you had made everything possible to give them an invitation.

After you had made everything possible to turn NATO against you by continuing the enclave’s situation and by refusing to accept any solution it was obvious where you are going (like it is now if you continue this stubbornness). And after the first invasion you were still pushing your luck and still refusing to accept a federation solution that could stop Turkey from the second invasion and you came a long after the second invation and you accepted the only solution existed for the Cyprus problem after what happened at 63 that is the federation and this is what everyone can easily understand.

The thing is what as long as you pushing your luck and blame everyone for your situation, you are only continuing your ridiculous past.

Ps: I congratulate you if you accepting some of your mistakes, is a good start.

Asking for our rights is not "pushing our luck". Why should we sign off our rights under blackmail? To gain what? The "federation" that Turks want is partition anyways, they have never accepted anything less than that.

We didn't give to the Turks any invitation. The Turks found the coup as an excuse to invade but as the UN resolution and ECHR rulings prove that excuse was a lame one. Turkey had absolutely no excuse to occupy Cyprus. If they wanted to act as a guarantor then they should have restored order and protect the sovereignty of RoC, not do the exact opposite which they had absolutely no right or excuse to do.


Some TCs today choose to forget that the coup was the lame excuse of Turkey to invade, and they like to mix in the stories from the inter-communal conflict as part of their excuse. The fact is that the that conflict, where both sides where responsible for and both sides had some 100s of casualties had been over 6 whole years earlier, in 1968 and it had absolutely nothing to do with the invasion.

Another fact is that in 1974 no TC was harmed by the coupists or any GCs until after the Turkish invasion had started and Turkey and TCs started killing 1000s of innocent Greek Cypriots and pushing them out of their homes.

So the excuse that Turkey supposedly came to Cyprus to protect the TCs that were being killed is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda. In fact I challenged all TCs in here to show me evidence that TCs were killed in 1974 before July 20th, the day of the invasion, and none of them could provide such evidence.

So yes, the coup was used as an excuse, and of course we condemn the coup today just like the great majority of Cypriots, including our president had condemned it then (in the UN, in the most official way), but that coup did NOT excuse Turkey to kill 1000s and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of people and violate the sovereignty of Cyprus (instead of restoring it, as it was their responsibility according to the Treaty of Guarantee).

And this is not just my conclusion, this is the conclusion of the UN which immediately passed a resolution to demand the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Cyprus and the respect of the sovereignty of RoC, and also the conclusion of ECHR who also found the excuses of Turkey as lame, and therefore demanded that refugees should be allowed to return to their properties and compensation to be given to them for the years that Turkey illegally occupied their homes.

The Turkish propagandists take just that 1% of history that suits them and exaggerate it by a factor of 100 in an attempt to excuse their inexcusable crimes that they insist on committing as we speak.

[Daemon]

There was not any kind of blackmail you was brainwashed.

Is not the Turks that wants federation, they want partition. Federation came after the 63 event tha you have created and when USA was looking for an alternative and offered you enosis you pushed your luck more than enough by taking the clown role in the cold war (like you are taking a similar role in the Muslims problem). You are pushing your luck more of what you can even imagine and the funny thing is what your side blackmail the whole world, you have already passed the ridiculous and you are going on, if you will continue to play the clown of the universe the only thing that remains is when you will loose everything.

[Daemon]

Look the options you have are this 3 and everyone with brains can easily understand it.

1. You are continuing to play the clown of the universe and you risking to loose everything and you are keeping this ridiculous government you have.

2. You are stopping to play the clown and you are trying to reserve the present situation as long as you can (until the second appearance of Christ) and you try to minimize as long as you can the negatives and the punching and kicking from Europe because of your stupid behavior and you changing the present government for a good start.

3. If you are very lucky you will have a second chance to solve the problem through a federation and this improbable scenario could happen only if you change government and gain back your complete lost credibility.

The funny thing is what some people believe what if the Anan plan will come back what Turkey will be gladly accept it and they are incapable to understand what to make Turkey to accept their bye bye from Cyprus we had a tremendous activation from Europe and USA and what they pushed them in the corner at a time that many circumstances was benefiting this evolvement and I really doubt if there will ever be another chance for you to get rid of the Turks with out war. And I do not see such war at least for 100 years and of course after 1000 years we will get back the poli and the story goes on.

And no there was not any kind of blackmailing, some people was just trying to help you, your friends, the people that had open for you the doors of Europe even with unsolved the Cyprus problem to pressure Turkey.

It’s ridiculous to accusing everyone with bullshits because of your stupidity.

[DT.]

Look the options you have are this 3 and everyone with brains can easily understand it.

1. You are continuing to play the clown of the universe and you risking to loose everything and you are keeping this ridiculous government you have.

2. You are stopping to play the clown and you are trying to reserve the present situation as long as you can (until the second appearance of Christ) and you try to minimize as long as you can the negatives and the punching and kicking from Europe because of your stupid behavior and you changing the present government for a good start.

3. If you are very lucky you will have a second chance to solve the problem through a federation and this improbable scenario could happen only if you change government and gain back your complete lost credibility.

The funny thing is what some people believe what if the Anan plan will come back what Turkey will be gladly accept it and they are incapable to understand what to make Turkey to accept their bye bye from Cyprus we had a tremendous activation from Europe and USA and what they pushed them in the corner at a time that many circumstances was benefiting this evolvement and I really doubt if there will ever be another chance for you to get rid of the Turks with out war. And I do not see such war at least for 100 years and of course after 1000 years we will get back the poli and the story goes on.

And no there was not any kind of blackmailing, some people was just trying to help you, your friends, the people that had open for you the doors of Europe even with unsolved the Cyprus problem to pressure Turkey.

It’s ridiculous to accusing everyone with bullshits because of your stupidity.

I'm left wondereing what your role in all this is. If cyprus is the clown of the universe and we are all infected with stupidity then what does a "Greek" who has nothing to do with cyprus, have to do with this forum? How sad are you to spend all this time on a forum dedicated to a situation that only commands your contempt? Does your country have no problems, are you secretly wanting to be a cypriot?

As for the pushing and shoving of Turkey into as corner then if you knew anything about the cyprob you would know that Erdogan managed to leave the negotiating table (or as we cypriots like to call it, the cutting board) without having to give up on one concession.