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[Daemon]

Our recognition is closer than ever and even better news is that you are unable to do anything about it

For now they can at least chance government and send Denktashopoulos in the cesspool of history.

If they will reelect him then who can blame UK or Syria or Germany or Sweden or Italy or the whole world if their ass is kinky and horny?

[Pyrpolizer]

The ambargo has the effect of forcing us to be dependent on Turkey. For example we can not even send out postal mail if it is not for Turkey to deliver them. We can not even receive children`s medicine for our babies or even aspirin for our elderly. More strikinglya, this chilling deprivation has been the case before any Turkish troops set foot on the island and before any GCs made claims about lost property...

The good news is that despite these illegitimate and cruel ambargoes that we did not and do not deserve we are doing extremely well. We have a GDP per capita above Bulgaria and Romania that just made the EU. Our recognition is closer than ever and even better news is that you are unable to do anything about it

TOTAL NONSENSE and you know it. There is absolutely no embargo. You depend on turkey because you depend on them militarily to keep on holding stolen lands and properties.

Sure you cannot post mail directly because you are an illegal state. But you do post it and you do receive replies the same way the Turks in Antalya do. So tell me what is the real negative effect. NOTHING is the answer.

As for medicine don't give me that crap. There is absolutely no embargo on medicines, from ANYONE.The same way you buy Mercedeces from Germany you can buy any medicine from all over the world. The truth is most of the Medical companies do have branches in Turkey and do supply you their medicine at 1/3 of the price the rest of the world gets them. I personally bought some medicines from the northern area just one weak ago, nd you know why? a)Because the EU forced us to stop those medicines because they contain 3 sorts of active ingredients inside b)they are 1/3 of the price.
Just name me one Medical company all around the world who refused to sell you medicine. Just one!

Try something else Murataga other that faulty excuses or lies.

[phoenix]

He talks about our isolations being "imaginary" and about making sense within the same thread and expects a serious reply, im just sick of regurgitating the same crap over and over again to be honest...

Why don't you describe us your isolations Shah and tell us what REAL effect they have on your life?

Even for the fact that your passports are not accepted you have 3 other options: RoC passport, Turkish passport, British passport, or even just a visa.
Has your isolation had any effect on selling stolen Gc properties and doubling your standard of living within 4 years?

Come on tell us we are full of ears.

I am still waiting to hear a sensible answer to these questions either from Shah or any other TC.

VP in this very thread said each family has 2 cars like the Gcs.
In the past VP also said the recognition it's just a state of mind...

Oh yes you are absolutely right Pyrpo, its all sweet and dandy over here, i dont know what i was thinking...

Like someone said its all "in our heads"!

not sweet and not dandy is one thing (e.g Bangladesh is such a place) and problems because of "isolation" is another.. This is the 3rd time you avoid giving a convincing reply.

By the way wait a few years more until you are almost completely replaced by settlers and you will see how much more not sweet and not dandy it will be.

The ambargo has the effect of forcing us to be dependent on Turkey. For example we can not even send out postal mail if it is not for Turkey to deliver them. We can not even receive children`s medicine for our babies or even aspirin for our elderly. More strikinglya, this chilling deprivation has been the case before any Turkish troops set foot on the island and before any GCs made claims about lost property...

The good news is that despite these illegitimate and cruel ambargoes that we did not and do not deserve we are doing extremely well. We have a GDP per capita above Bulgaria and Romania that just made the EU. Our recognition is closer than ever and even better news is that you are unable to do anything about it

Murataga the GC leadership is doing us a great favor and their stance is now exposed to the EU who will in ime get pissed of with their anti EU mindset, the saying that is a like to GCs in EU is you can out a saddle on a donkey dont make it a race horse.

Couldn`t agree more.

I am enjoying GC comments that try to paint the developments towards our recognition as imaginary. I think we have them right where we want them

Whoever is in charge of Viewpoint needs to tell him he's had far too much to drink, and he is even more ineligible than normal . . . you don't want him to make another "slip of the tongue"

[Andros]

Murataga, and all Greek Cypriots (The real ones on this forum - Thanks),

Although you may believe that recognition of the so-called TRNC is close, you have clearly dismissed the reality that it's been the Republic of Cyprus that has prevented this since 1974. And, please don't forget that the border is only a "Cease-Fire" line, legally speaking, where the EU has never conceded to it being known as an external border.

You seem to have a strong belief that the world is slowly swinging to your side due to the so-called isolation issue, but once again continue to blindly deny the realities of the UN Resolutions 540, 541 and 550, and the 1977 high level agreements signed by your leaders - "Black and White".

Therefore, the only way possible of breaking away from these documents would be another state of emergency - one that Turkey can not afford! Both politically and financially. That is why they are bent on seeking a "Confederal" style resolution via the UN as they don't have another power. If your leadership are so keen on recognition, why is it that they have chosen not to just legally demand it from the world, but rather choose to drop their so-called humanitarian and Cyprus political rights in search of a "second" rate deal for all Cypriots? Why is it that Turkey is flooding the North with thousands of uneducated Turkish mainland citizens from its eastern areas advising them to "Integrate" with the Turkish Cypriot locals in an attempt to dramatically increase the Turkish Cypriot minority population more favourable against us, although, at the same time destroying the unique historical Turkish Cypriot essence on the island. We all know that the Turkish Cypriot people can't stand the mainland Turks, and that their general outlook is almost completely different. We all know that it's (TRNC's) recognition of all of the 37% of the territory they are after. And, we all know that an Annan Plan deal will ultimately lead to the recognition of two republic states in the form of 40/60 as opposed to a more realistic figure - whether it is 18/82 or 25/75 (considering the two British bases). I would rather your administration be honest than play these latest sneaky political games that may just, one-day, back fire on all Cypriots!

To all Greek Cypriots, I can not stress how important it is today to force a resolution according to our, and the island's interest as a whole, outlook. My words above we written in the context that the Turks have decided to take the Cyprus situation in their own hands, agressively, beyond any reasonable doubt. Whether a solution be the signing of a pure federal formula (Which must now be shifted a number of gears up, hopefully with the help of the EU, if possible), or the perm split of two Cypriot republic states - where at least we'll be able to close our eyes in a peaceful manner for the next generations of our children, and theirs to come.

I think enough-is-enough.

All foreign mediators and world countries should now be removed from the Cyprus equation. Where, it can only be done by us alone. Why, regardless of the fact that we have left a pure unification to materialise for too long now, I essentially believe that the Turkish Cypriots do NOT actually have any control over any of the decisions affecting their end of the Cyprus issue, and that's saying the least. Therefore, why bother in even arranging inter-communal talks or discussing the future of our island with them. Instead, perhaps we should just take the initiative and end this uncertainty once and for all - our way. I know it may mean partition of some sort, but at least the solution would have been our own. At least the world would have finally understood why we gave a resounding "No" to the criminal Annan Plan.

Regards,
Andros

[phoenix]

Andros
I still cannot understand why you are so desperate to see a solution to the Cyprus problem sooner rather than later . . . even when it means forcing through a resolution now leads to accepting permanent partition. That is preferable to you, rather than waiting until the right time to restore a whole and re-unified Cyprus?

Children face this dilemma all the time and it is a sign of maturity when they learn to accept delayed gratification. Don't eat the sweet now, wait patiently and you will be rewarded with two sweets.

You want to eat the one sweet now . . . and accept partition as a solution, instead of waiting for the right time to have two sweets (the better option) of a reunified Cyprus.

Please explain to me why you are are so keen for a resolution NOW at the expense of the correct solution a bit later.

[Pyrpolizer]

Andros don't panic my friend. The Tcs are masters in making fatal mistakes. You know very well they now survive by selling our stolen lands.Soon enough they will sell everything.The next generation will have nothing to sell and hence abandon the place. Their settlers will sell everything to Europeans as well, because they wouldn't be able to keep up with the high cost of living they themselves are creating by bringing in so many rich buyers.
I see the occupied areas turning into a place where Europeans and others will be the owners of our stolen lands and an army of cheap turkish seasonal workers working for them.
The solution to the Cyprus problem will then START FROM THERE.

[Get Real!]

The ambargo has the effect of forcing us to be dependent on Turkey.

[Get Real!]

Murataga, and all Greek Cypriots (The real ones on this forum - Thanks),

I know I haven't responded to you but I figured you're a lost case anyway... what do you know I was right!

[phoenix]

So you expected us to fight against something we did not believe in or support as the ultimate goal was enosis..not even you can sell this idiotic idea as woudl have leade to our wholesale anniahalation.

Have a look at this spelling

Is that a Turkish super dose of annihilation?

[Get Real!]

So you expected us to fight against something we did not believe in or support as the ultimate goal was enosis..not even you can sell this idiotic idea as woudl have leade to our wholesale anniahalation.

Have a look at this spelling

Is that a Turkish super dose of annihilation?

VP is actually regarded one of the "intelligent" ones in the "TRNC"...