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[shahmaran]

Dudes about to have seizure in front of his computer, this guy is SO out of touch you should ease him into reality Oranos or he just cant handle it!

[EPSILON]

I TOLD YOU ALL THIS WOULD HAPPEN WAY BACK IN AUGUST ... 2 YEARS FROM NOW...THEY WILL GET E.U KEY TOO ...ITS OVER ...

Kindly remove your fluffy tail from up your ass and stand up straight... you're a disgrace to wherever it is you come from.

Keep it calm.! There are many Gcs who secretly prefer such a result than Annan plan and other proposed solutions involving mainland Turkey in their affairs..

Two states and A BIG WALL in between

The one state will be renamed to ANATOLIAN REPUPLIC OF CYPRUS and the other ROC.or, who knows ,maybe my signature here find its place and i became a Prophet.

[alexISS]

I wonder if the result of all these attempts to end the so-called "isolation" will lead to a de-facto partition or a de-facto reunification. Turkey and the TCs are not pushing for the recognition of the "TRNC" (because they know they can't), they are actually claiming their rights as EU members and, consequently, as partners in the RoC

[EPSILON]

I wonder if the result of all these attempts to end the so-called "isolation" will lead to a de-facto partition or a de-facto reunification. Turkey and the TCs are not pushing for the recognition of the "TRNC" (because they know they can't), they are actually claiming their rights as EU members and, consequently, as partners in the RoC

Alexis I fully agree with you- What Turks want now is a partnership for all Island. Even we offer them recognision/division I am not sure that they will agree even this was their initial plan.

The problem here is that many Gcs including big part of their leadership do not realise the risk to loose the control of all the Cyprus territory if they continue to look for a co-operation with Turkish side to find a solution of unification.

[Eric dayi]

I have been saying "It's started" for how long?

Now some are starting to agree.

Good morning...or...would it be better to say.....good night?

[EPSILON]

I have been saying "It's started" for how long?

Now some are starting to agree.

Good morning...or...would it be better to say.....good night?

Eric, do not be so happy. If a clear division was concluded then the big loosers of this story will be the Tcs.In two years their president will be the Mustafa from Anatolia.

[Viewpoint]

I have been saying "It's started" for how long?

Now some are starting to agree.

Good morning...or...would it be better to say.....good night?

Eric, do not be so happy. If a clear division was concluded then the big loosers of this story will be the Tcs.In two years their president will be the Mustafa from Anatolia.

So? shoudnt you be more concerned about losing 37% of your island than whats going to happen in the north?

[T_C]

I personally don't think it's that serious.....YET!

They're just trying to get the GCs to take the Cyprob more seriously. It's obvious from the viewpoints in the forum that they're not THAT interested in a solution unless it suits them...fair enough, don't accept crap plans but at least do SOMETHING to try and find a solution instead of waiting for the so called "balance of power" to change.

[Pyrpolizer]

As expected, I believe the Turkish administration have kick-started their calling for the gradually recognition of the so-called TRNC state. Now I believe we all have a problem and should be worried. At first we had the call from Kofi Annan to remove the so-called isolation, the OIC to upgrade the representation of the Turkish Cypriots as the "Turkish Cypriot State", the Syrian affair and now the UK/Turkey trade agreement encompassing Northern Cyprus as it's seen as an extended part of Turkey. Or isn't it?

As much as I want to wait for the Republic of Cyprus to push for a "Pure" federal agreement, a two state deal within realistic borders may eventually be the only chance we may eventually have, only if we act now.

In my view, I believe that if we can't secure an urgent Federal style agreement (Non-Annan Plan style please), we'd better secure a two-state one at the very least before the so-called Turkish Cypriot State, TRNC or Northern Cyprus is ultimately accepted, or recognised, within its present 37%. territory. I hate to admit this, but, if we don't act soon; in other words if President Papadopoulos doesn't act soon, very soon, we may just end up having to accept the status quo - which is a result any Greek Cypriot fears to wake up to (Sorry, I have to be honest here). Therefore, my question this time is:

(1) Are we just going to sit and watch the world "Gradually" recognise the so-called TRNC engulfing 37% of the island, or are we going to pull our socks up and push for a federal, or even a Two-State agreement within an acceptable territory limit.

Time appears to be running short, and I most certainly do not think the AKP party in Turkey, or even the CTP party in Turkish Cypriot politics (Which I believe is the same party!), are the kind to wait any longer, considering the damage they've do to the Cyprus issue so far!

Let's look at it this way, how many Cyprus MPs and ministers will we eventually need to send to other countries of the world in order to dissuade them no to do business with Turkey and the so-called Northern Cyprus TRNC? This is all getting out of hand, especially the latest news report regarding the Syrian affair in the Cyprus-Mail.

Or, do you think I am worrying for nothing? If so, please convince me!

Regards,

Andros.

First of all let's not fool ourselves that the occupied areas are totally isolated. Multinational companies already have branches there, ships already do imports and exports to and from there, their University degrees are already recognised. Their "isolation" problems are more imaginary than real. They can have as many direct flights as they want through Larnaca airport and they can have all EU benefits as individuals using their RoC IDs and passports. The ones who have some problems are actually their settlers.

What they actually want is recognition so that they legalize and finalize the stealing of our lands and properties. Recognition will not raise their economic status, quite the opposite.
However recognition is never going to occur, not because other countries love us but because it's going to have a huge negative impact on them.

As for your suggestion to hurry up to agree on partition to get something back, that is the MOST STUPID STATEMENT i keep on hearing from many GCs in this forum.
By the minute we propose such a thing CYPRUS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY PARTITIONED, THE OCCUPIED WILL BE IMMEDIATELY RECOGNISED and what we will be left empty handed waiting to get something or ZERO back. Negotiations will go on for ever and in the end we will also lose half the buffer zone.

[shahmaran]

Well as one great commander once said :

"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

Watch it GC's, we are onto you!