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[Piratis]

The Turkish propaganda can be summarized as follows:

Step 1) Deny every crime the Turks committed against others (Cypriots, Armenians, Kurds etc)

Step 2) Search in history to find some casualties they had from those others. It doesn't matter if for every 1 casualty they had they have caused 1000 on the other side, due to "Step 1" above. After all for them "One Turk equals the whole world"

Step 3) Exaggerate their findings from "Step 2" by a factor of 1000.
Here we see the first interesting results of their propaganda. Some 800 Turks killed in Cyprus is considered a genocide, but 10s of thousands of Cypriots, or 1.5 millions of Armenians that they killed is not, according to their propaganda.

Step 4) Now they determined that they are the innocent ones and the others are the bad ones, they decide that they have the right to use yet more brute force to violate even more the rights of others. If by any chance those others react and cause to the Turks some casualties then the Turkish casualties will be later used in "Step 2", while of course the Turkish aggression that for once more was the cause of the problem will be denied as per "Step 1".

In the case of Cyprus in particular the Turkish propaganda "steps" want to bring us to the conclusion that the "evil" GCs should for once more be punished while the "innocent" Turks should be rewarded on GCs loss.

On the other hand, Greek Cypriots, who have suffered and continue to suffer due to Turkish aggression, all they ask for is their land, their rights and what belongs to them in their own island.

Turkey might have a huge army, the super power as their best ally, a big economy that foreign countries are interested for investments, oil, and many other things on their side. However on our side we have one thing that no army and no financial interests of any foreigners can remove. We have the justice on our side and we will never capitulate but keep the struggle for the liberation of our island from the foreign invadors.

Not even the closest allies of Turkey can accept the 4 steps of Turkish propaganda, which is why the lame excuses of the Turks were not enough to stop resolutions against their illegal occupation and against their illegal declaration of the pseudo state, nor where enough to stop countries from recognizing the Armenian genocide and the fact that the Kurds suffer with their human rights grossly violated by the Turks.

[Viewpoint]

So whats your point? the Turks and Turkish Cypriots are evil and they should be punished? Get over it you messed up big time 1963 to 1974 and now we have a totally different scenario deal with it. If you want to unite the island you cannot go backwards you have to go forwards and to do that you have to go via a BBF and political equality of the 2 communities as accepted by the international community, otherwise you can wait till hell freezes over for your swing thing and then blow all the TCs to kingdom come.

We will never capitulate to a GC state, we are equal partners and want to administer ourselves, we have no problem with Gc returning to their property or receiving compensation as the majority will not want live in anything but a GC state, this we can understand as we feel the same. Get this into your head try to digest that what we ask for is not that extreme and can be catered for in the form of something along the lines of the AP.

[Piratis]

So whats your point? the Turks and Turkish Cypriots are evil and they should be punished?

The answer is already there:

In the case of Cyprus in particular the Turkish propaganda "steps" want to bring us to the conclusion that the "evil" GCs should for once more be punished while the "innocent" Turks should be rewarded on GCs loss.

On the other hand, Greek Cypriots, who have suffered and continue to suffer due to Turkish aggression, all they ask for is their land, their rights and what belongs to them in their own island.

Get over it you messed up big time 1963 to 1974 and now we have a totally different scenario deal with it.

Step 1, 2 and 3 combined in one sentence. According to VP, they didn't do anything wrong (Step 1), but we are the ones who "messed up" (Step 2), and we have actually messed up "big time" (Step 3).

If you want to unite the island you cannot go backwards you have to go forwards and to do that you have to go via a BBF and political equality of the 2 communities as accepted by the international community, otherwise you can wait till hell freezes over for your swing thing and then blow all the TCs to kingdom come.

We will never capitulate to a GC state, we are equal partners and want to administer ourselves, we have no problem with Gc returning to their property or receiving compensation as the majority will not want live in anything but a GC state, this we can understand as we feel the same. Get this into your head try to digest that what we ask for is not that extreme and can be catered for in the form of something along the lines of the AP.

And here is "Step 4". Now they "confirmed" that GCs are the "bad" ones and they the "innocent" ones they claim they are excused to continue with their crimes and illegalities against us until we accept their terms under conditions of blackmail.

Well no VP. The Annan plan was just a proposal which according to the plan itself it is now null and void.

On the other hand what is not null and void are the resolutions that demand the withdrawal of the occupation force, the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declare the illegality of the "trnc". Why don't you obey the resolutions VP?

So get it deep inside your head: You have absolutely no right to occupy the north part of our country, and there is absolutely no excuse for the crimes and illegalities you commit against us. You are the aggressors, who collaborate with the foreign invaders to illegally occupy 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus, and you are trying, using brute force and blackmail, to have gains or our expense.

[shahmaran]

The only Greek propaganda step:

1) Blame everything on the Turks and steal all their cuisine!

[Nikitas]

Cuisine? You mean the one we both stole from the Arabs?

[shahmaran]

Excuse me, doner kebab or gyro call it whatever you like, was invented on Turkish soil, Bursa to be precise!

and thats just 1 example!

[Viewpoint]

So whats your point? the Turks and Turkish Cypriots are evil and they should be punished?

The answer is already there:

In the case of Cyprus in particular the Turkish propaganda "steps" want to bring us to the conclusion that the "evil" GCs should for once more be punished while the "innocent" Turks should be rewarded on GCs loss.

On the other hand, Greek Cypriots, who have suffered and continue to suffer due to Turkish aggression, all they ask for is their land, their rights and what belongs to them in their own island.

Get over it you messed up big time 1963 to 1974 and now we have a totally different scenario deal with it.

Step 1, 2 and 3 combined in one sentence. According to VP, they didn't do anything wrong (Step 1), but we are the ones who "messed up" (Step 2), and we have actually messed up "big time" (Step 3).

If you want to unite the island you cannot go backwards you have to go forwards and to do that you have to go via a BBF and political equality of the 2 communities as accepted by the international community, otherwise you can wait till hell freezes over for your swing thing and then blow all the TCs to kingdom come.

We will never capitulate to a GC state, we are equal partners and want to administer ourselves, we have no problem with Gc returning to their property or receiving compensation as the majority will not want live in anything but a GC state, this we can understand as we feel the same. Get this into your head try to digest that what we ask for is not that extreme and can be catered for in the form of something along the lines of the AP.

And here is "Step 4". Now they "confirmed" that GCs are the "bad" ones and they the "innocent" ones they claim they are excused to continue with their crimes and illegalities against us until we accept their terms under conditions of blackmail.

Well no VP. The Annan plan was just a proposal which according to the plan itself it is now null and void.

On the other hand what is not null and void are the resolutions that demand the withdrawal of the occupation force, the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and declare the illegality of the "trnc". Why don't you obey the resolutions VP?

So get it deep inside your head: You have absolutely no right to occupy the north part of our country, and there is absolutely no excuse for the crimes and illegalities you commit against us. You are the aggressors, who collaborate with the foreign invaders to illegally occupy 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus, and you are trying, using brute force and blackmail, to have gains or our expense.

SO? What does what you say above change anything?

It counts for zilch if you cannot get an agreement with TCs, so in order to do that you have to treat us as an equal community and work on finding a solution along the lines and I did say before along the lines of the AP not the AP itself.

[Piratis]

It counts for zilch if you cannot get an agreement with TCs

And the Annan plan or anything along those lines counts for zilch if we do not approve it.

The diffrence is that we have every right to reject some AP, while you haveno right and no excuse to occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

It counts for zilch if you cannot get an agreement with TCs

And the Annan plan or anything along those lines counts for zilch if we do not approve it.

The diffrence is that we have every right to reject some AP, while you haveno right and no excuse to occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

You are right, you had the right to reject the only plan put before you and backed by 99% of the internaitonal community and you have to pay the price what ever that may as I to have the right to occupy my own country, do you deny this is also my country?

[EPSILON]

So whats your point? the Turks and Turkish Cypriots are evil and they should be punished? Get over it you messed up big time 1963 to 1974 and now we have a totally different scenario deal with it. If you want to unite the island you cannot go backwards you have to go forwards and to do that you have to go via a BBF and political equality of the 2 communities as accepted by the international community, otherwise you can wait till hell freezes over for your swing thing and then blow all the TCs to kingdom come.

We will never capitulate to a GC state, we are equal partners and want to administer ourselves, we have no problem with Gc returning to their property or receiving compensation as the majority will not want live in anything but a GC state, this we can understand as we feel the same. Get this into your head try to digest that what we ask for is not that extreme and can be catered for in the form of something along the lines of the AP.

You did what was necessary to devide the Island and now you are asking whether we want to unite the Island.

In order to the Island to be United again you are requesting, in addition to what you have already stolen, to obtain a partnership in the rest.

Clever policy put the victims are more clever than you-slowly slowly they are staring to understand the plan.