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Papadopoulos has completely lost it!

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Postby EPSILON » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:11 pm

phoenix wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
phoenix wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Denktaş Senior quote "Thank God the Greek Cypriots Voted NO"


But why?


You GC stopped the dissolving of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, so you made him the happiest man in the world probably the first time GCs have agreed with Mr Denktaş. Must make you feel warm inside.


So you are happy with the way things are now?


At least now the patrol outside Limmasol and Larnaca ports is controlled by Gcs and not Turkish navy.
At least now the occupied area is an unlawfull state and invasion forces are there illegaly
At least now the ROC is still there and the majority can still control their internal affairs.
At least still now the taxes paid by Gcs -in the bigger part-are invested for their benefit and not for the improvement of shelters life.
At least now our Gcs education system providing their own culture and launguage and not a Babel situation
At least the central bank of Cyprus is controling island's economic affairs and not a foreiner or mainland Turkey do so.
At least still now Gcs are not celebreting the invasion day
At least still today Gcs are not brothers and sisters of shelters from Anatolia.
At least still now Gcs living in European /Democratic state and not in a banania of Turkey.
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Re: Papadopoulos has completely lost it!

Postby halil » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:29 pm

Bananiot wrote:I will tell you a story. A true story! Early April 2003 and Denktash is keen to bury the UN plan for a solution. His best bet is Papadopoulos. He sends him a note in which he makes the following proposals:

1. Forget about the Annan Plan and start negotiations on a new base.
2. Begin trading between the two communities.
3. Free movement with minimum fuss.
4. Set up a conciliation committee.
5. Immediate return of Varosha to the RoC if Papadopoulos agrees.

Papadopoulos takes the proposals to the National Council and and dictates the answer. He outright rejects the proposals and accuses Denktash of trying to evade the Annan Plan. We will stick to the Annan Plan, he answers defiantly!

Denktash, upon receiving this response, goes on to implement some of the proposals unilaterally. Thus he makes his move and opens the borders on April 23 2003.

What do we have today?

Papadopoulos sends a letter in response to Moon's urges with proposals. One of the proposals is for the setting up of a conciliation committee. Trade between the two communities takes places and there is free movement on both sides of the divide. Furthermore, he has buried the Annan Plan and is now asking for talks on a new basis.

He has in fact granted all the wishes of Denktash. With one exemption. Varosha is still to be seen with binoculars by the betrayed inhabitats of the fair city.

This is the great leader!


Tassos lashes out over EOKA B claims
By Elias Hazou

AN ANGRY President Tassos Papadopoulos has lashed out at allegations that he consorted with leading cadres of EOKA B, a 1970s right-wing paramilitary organisation linked to the coup that precipitated the Turkish invasion.

The accusations were made by AKEL, until not long ago partners in the coalition under Papadopoulos.

The government camp has rallied to the President’s support, calling on the communists to back up their claims with evidence.

After initial hesitation, AKEL cryptically referred newsmen to a meeting that took place at the Presidential Palace in April 2005 between :!: Papadopoulos and two members of EOKA B.

At the time, an EOKA B member had told Ant1 television that he was indeed “co-operating” with Papadopoulos – but also with a section of AKEL – in preventing the return of the Annan plan.

Pressed for more details, Stephanos Stephanou, spokesman for presidential candidate Demetris Christofias, asserted he had additional information but would release it only when he thought the time was right.

Christofias himself has sought to distance himself from the row, telling journalists to seek answers from his election staffers.

The President meanwhile, who had kept quiet since the debate ignited last weekend, finally let loose against his accusers.

Speaking at a gathering in Larnaca late on Monday night, a visibly irate Papadopoulos went on the offensive.

“I have never met with people from EOKA B,” he declared.

“I challenge them now, in public, to say where and when these meetings were held. And if they do not, they shall be exposed as cheap slanderers,” he added.

Papadopoulos went on to say that in the past he had personally tried to make inquiries about the organisation widely considered treacherous, only to discover that no records were kept.

Asked how he felt about the fact the allegations were coming from a former ally, Papadopoulos said he was “bitter about these unfounded claims”.

Rightwing DISY, accused by its rivals of harboring EOKA B members, chose to play the role of observer in the spat.

“We apologise for having nothing to say about EOKA B. We want this election campaign to be about the future, not about the past,” said Prodromos Prodromou, spokesman for presidential candidate Ioannis Kasoulides.

EOKA B was a Greek Cypriot right-wing pro-enosis paramilitary organisation formed in 1971 that was supported by the ruling Greek military junta.

On July 15, 1974, the organisation, with the approval of the Greek dictator Demetrios Ioannides and the help of the National Guard, launched a military coup, overthrowing Archbishop Makarios and installing Nicos Sampson as the dictator of Cyprus.

The Turkish invasion followed five days later.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007

it looks we can learn more , more confessions will come up to presential elections at Southern Cyprus . :!:

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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Here is StuartN that just a while ago was saying that he is not a racist who supports ethnic cleansing and the pseudo state proving that he was lying.

VP, we will wait as long as it takes. Meanwhile the most you can have is a pseudo state run by the Turkish army.


That's a lot more than we had in 1963, so you do your waiting while we pursue and push every opportunity towards lifting isolation as even your saviours the EU will in time get pissed off with your intransigence and arrogance. Although you try to ignore them the tell tell signs are there and over the coming years these will increase as the world will come to understand that this problem will never be solved.


You illegally occupy our homes and lands and you accuse us about intransigence and arrogance because we want our human rights and what belongs to us? So you, that you use force and crimes to steal from us what does not belong to you, you are not arrogant, but we, that we just want what belongs to us, we are? :roll: Thats what they teach you?

Be sure that the world will be pissed off with the arrogance of the Turks (as a whole) a lot earlier, and then you will be running to save what parts of Turkey you can. Your rule over our land will not last for long as you hope.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:04 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Here is StuartN that just a while ago was saying that he is not a racist who supports ethnic cleansing and the pseudo state proving that he was lying.

VP, we will wait as long as it takes. Meanwhile the most you can have is a pseudo state run by the Turkish army.


That's a lot more than we had in 1963, so you do your waiting while we pursue and push every opportunity towards lifting isolation as even your saviours the EU will in time get pissed off with your intransigence and arrogance. Although you try to ignore them the tell tell signs are there and over the coming years these will increase as the world will come to understand that this problem will never be solved.


You illegally occupy our homes and lands and you accuse us about intransigence and arrogance because we want our human rights and what belongs to us? So you, that you use force and crimes to steal from us what does not belong to you, you are not arrogant, but we, that we just want what belongs to us, we are? :roll: Thats what they teach you?

Be sure that the world will be pissed off with the arrogance of the Turks (as a whole) a lot earlier, and then you will be running to save what parts of Turkey you can. Your rule over our land will not last for long as you hope.


We occupy lands we once shared together but due to your greed and arrogance, in your rush to rid the island of its TC community you lost out. If we are illegal go claim your rights, get as many judgements as you wish the bottom line is you cannot enforce them, I dont see the world rushing to your help I wonder why that is Pitatis, its becuase they dont give a shit about a handful of troublesome Cypriots who cant agree on anything to help themselves and know only to reject plans handed to them on plate blaming everyone else in the process.

Time you came to your senses and realized that not even time will sort out your problems only you can do that and in order to make any progress you have to accept us as an equal community under a BBF structure. The ball is firmly in your court and has been ever since rejecting the AP.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:08 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Here is StuartN that just a while ago was saying that he is not a racist who supports ethnic cleansing and the pseudo state proving that he was lying.

VP, we will wait as long as it takes. Meanwhile the most you can have is a pseudo state run by the Turkish army.


That's a lot more than we had in 1963, so you do your waiting while we pursue and push every opportunity towards lifting isolation as even your saviours the EU will in time get pissed off with your intransigence and arrogance. Although you try to ignore them the tell tell signs are there and over the coming years these will increase as the world will come to understand that this problem will never be solved.


You illegally occupy our homes and lands and you accuse us about intransigence and arrogance because we want our human rights and what belongs to us? So you, that you use force and crimes to steal from us what does not belong to you, you are not arrogant, but we, that we just want what belongs to us, we are? :roll: Thats what they teach you?

Be sure that the world will be pissed off with the arrogance of the Turks (as a whole) a lot earlier, and then you will be running to save what parts of Turkey you can. Your rule over our land will not last for long as you hope.


We occupy lands we once shared together but due to your greed and arrogance, in your rush to rid the island of its TC community you lost out. If we are illegal go claim your rights, get as many judgements as you wish the bottom line is you cannot enforce them, I dont see the world rushing to your help I wonder why that is Pitatis, its becuase they dont give a shit about a handful of troublesome Cypriots who cant agree on anything to help themselves and know only to reject plans handed to them on plate blaming everyone else in the process.

Time you came to your senses and realized that not even time will sort out your problems only you can do that and in order to make any progress you have to accept us as an equal community under a BBF structure. The ball is firmly in your court and has been ever since rejecting the AP.


Excellently put VP. I'd like to add I admire your patience with this Piratis guy. I personally wouldn't give him the time of day.
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Postby T_C » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:11 pm

Papadopoulos went on to say that in the past he had personally tried to make inquiries about the organisation widely considered treacherous, only to discover that no records were kept.


How bloody convenient! :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:05 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Here is StuartN that just a while ago was saying that he is not a racist who supports ethnic cleansing and the pseudo state proving that he was lying.

VP, we will wait as long as it takes. Meanwhile the most you can have is a pseudo state run by the Turkish army.


That's a lot more than we had in 1963, so you do your waiting while we pursue and push every opportunity towards lifting isolation as even your saviours the EU will in time get pissed off with your intransigence and arrogance. Although you try to ignore them the tell tell signs are there and over the coming years these will increase as the world will come to understand that this problem will never be solved.


You illegally occupy our homes and lands and you accuse us about intransigence and arrogance because we want our human rights and what belongs to us? So you, that you use force and crimes to steal from us what does not belong to you, you are not arrogant, but we, that we just want what belongs to us, we are? :roll: Thats what they teach you?

Be sure that the world will be pissed off with the arrogance of the Turks (as a whole) a lot earlier, and then you will be running to save what parts of Turkey you can. Your rule over our land will not last for long as you hope.


We occupy lands we once shared together but due to your greed and arrogance, in your rush to rid the island of its TC community you lost out. If we are illegal go claim your rights, get as many judgements as you wish the bottom line is you cannot enforce them, I dont see the world rushing to your help I wonder why that is Pitatis, its becuase they dont give a shit about a handful of troublesome Cypriots who cant agree on anything to help themselves and know only to reject plans handed to them on plate blaming everyone else in the process.

Time you came to your senses and realized that not even time will sort out your problems only you can do that and in order to make any progress you have to accept us as an equal community under a BBF structure. The ball is firmly in your court and has been ever since rejecting the AP.


I see you started the lies as usual. If somebody was trying to get rid another, those were the Turks that killed 10000 of Cypriots.

When they first invaded Cyprus they found 200.000 people here. By the end of their rule, 300+ years later, the population of Cypriots instead of doubling it was actually reduced dramatically!!

Then in their more recent invasion in 1974 they killed many 1000s of people within days, and ehtinically cleanse 100s of thousands.

And then you say that we tried to rid of you because you lost a mere 800 people in a conflict where you killed many 100s of ours and where you were equally responsible?

We accept you for what you are: a Turkish minority in Cyprus. We will not surrender any of our land to you, neither we will accept your minority to control our island.
You can have your human, democratic and minority rights just like every other minority in the world. If you don't accept this then remember that it was your choice to reject it.
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Postby observer » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:37 pm

Papadopoulos has completely lost it!

When did he ever completely - or even partially - have it?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:44 pm

DT. wrote:You guys crack me up....About 6 of you have just spent about 5 pages of posts trying to bash a phoenix on her own. Her question was valid,...

Unfortunately, the TC team is unable to counter FACTS presented so they resort to personal insults against a newbie woman and probably think they look good! :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:55 pm

Viewpoint wrote:We occupy lands we once shared together but due to your greed and arrogance, in your rush to rid the island of its TC community you lost out. If we are illegal go claim your rights, get as many judgements as you wish the bottom line is you cannot enforce them, I dont see the world rushing to your help I wonder why that is Pitatis, its becuase they dont give a shit about a handful of troublesome Cypriots who cant agree on anything to help themselves and know only to reject plans handed to them on plate blaming everyone else in the process.

Time you came to your senses and realized that not even time will sort out your problems only you can do that and in order to make any progress you have to accept us as an equal community under a BBF structure. The ball is firmly in your court and has been ever since rejecting the AP.

You lawless fool… how long do you think your games will last? Cyprus has seen off many clowns before you and the indigenous people have survived and conquered where her enemies have all failed regardless of their military strength, for the Cypriots have the strongest of all weapons on their side… MOTHER NATURE.

Those that go with the flow of this island and its indigenous people survive and prosper with them but those that try to swim upstream sleep with the fish... 10,000 years of history doesn’t lie.
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