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[halil]

Halil could this be do to the fact that this country claimed land from Greece??

That is utter nonsense. The Macedonian constitution has a clause which explicitly states that Macedonia has no territorial ambitions towards any of its neighbors and respects their territorial integrity. Maybe Turkey should derecognize Armenia for having as a national symbol something that is located beyond its boundaries and in Turkish territory.

Modern Greeks, what they think of Macedonians?
The results are summarized as follows:
“Macedonians don’t exist.”
“There is no such thing as Macedonians.”
“Macedonians have been extinct for a long time.”
“There a region called Macedonia but it belongs to Greece.”

to read more
http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/stefov1.html

[DT.]

Halil could this be do to the fact that this country claimed land from Greece??

That is utter nonsense. The Macedonian constitution has a clause which explicitly states that Macedonia has no territorial ambitions towards any of its neighbors and respects their territorial integrity. Maybe Turkey should derecognize Armenia for having as a national symbol something that is located beyond its boundaries and in Turkish territory.

Modern Greeks, what they think of Macedonians?
The results are summarized as follows:
“Macedonians don’t exist.”
“There is no such thing as Macedonians.”
“Macedonians have been extinct for a long time.”
“There a region called Macedonia but it belongs to Greece.”

to read more
http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/stefov1.html

since we're swapping well balanced views which consider both sides here you are Halil http://truth.macedonia.gr/index02.html

[alexISS]

There are SOME historians who doubt the ancient macedonians' Greekness and believe they were a "hellenized" tribe, not a hellenic one. But there is not one who claims that the slavic people that live in FYROM today are descendants of the ancient Macedonians.

[Bananiot]

The subject here is Papadopoulos. Does he look like Alexander the Great? The last time he resisted the Americans was when he gave them the green light to go over Cyprus and bomb Iraq, when Turkey refused. He also resisted them quite well in the 60's when he collected from CIA in order to keep AKEL in check. He also resisted Turkey when he signed a UN document in 2004 that called upon Turkey to continue its positive efforts to find a just solution to the cyprob.

[bg_turk]

Your response is nonesence. This clause was placed into there constitution after Greece forced the change. Do some research and get back to me later, Pomak. Let them, Russia would love it. Big difference, is Armenians lived in Ararat,where Slavs didnt come to Macedonia until 1000. PS Pomak, they also had claims on Bulgarian territory and if you were a real Bulgarian I am sure you would have known that.

Slavs were in Macedonia long before 1000. The Bulgarian state was established in 681 and at the time there were already Slavs in Macedonia and Thrace.

And with regard to the Pomaks, you are obviously as clueless about them, as you are about Macedonia. The problem with the Pomaks in Bulgaria is not territorial in nature, it is ethnic. The Bulgarian state does not recognize a Pomak ethnicity, and it refers to them as Bulgarians who profess the Islamic faith, whereas Pomaks disagree with that qualification and insist on being a seperate ethnicity.

And finally, I have never said I was a "true Bulgarian". I am not a Pomak either. I am a Turk.

[Nikitas]

Philippos the horse lover, Alexandros, the leader of men, Aristotelis, the pursuer of virtue, Greek meanings turned into Greek names, why didnt these guys use the "Macedonian" dialect for their names? Fashion? Snobbery? Or maybe because there was no such thing as a distinct "Macedonian" language even back then?

[Kifeas]

Your response is nonesence. This clause was placed into there constitution after Greece forced the change. Do some research and get back to me later, Pomak. Let them, Russia would love it. Big difference, is Armenians lived in Ararat,where Slavs didnt come to Macedonia until 1000. PS Pomak, they also had claims on Bulgarian territory and if you were a real Bulgarian I am sure you would have known that.

Slavs were in Macedonia long before 1000. The Bulgarian state was established in 681 and at the time there were already Slavs in Macedonia and Thrace.

And with regard to the Pomaks, you are obviously as clueless about them, as you are about Macedonia. The problem with the Pomaks in Bulgaria is not territorial in nature, it is ethnic. The Bulgarian state does not recognize a Pomak ethnicity, and it refers to them as Bulgarians who profess the Islamic faith, whereas Pomaks disagree with that qualification and insist on being a seperate ethnicity.

And finally, I have never said I was a "true Bulgarian". I am not a Pomak either. I am a Turk.

Try harder next time, bg_turk! Greece is right on the issue of FYROM's name! Neither the inhabitants of this country, nor the territory of it, are in any way legitimised to call it Macedonia! Macedonia is a historical region that is now shared by 3 countries! FYROM covers only 1/4 of this historical region, and the remaining 3/4 are situated within Greece and Bulgaria! FYROM's territory doesn't even include the ancient capital and the most important historical cities of ancient Macedonia! The people of FYROM (Slavs, Albanians, Pomaks, etc) have no linguistic, neither cultural nor genetic connection with the ancient Macedonians, to have the right to claim the historical heritage of ancient Macedonians; nevertheless definitely not alone! Their insistence to assume such a profoundly unhistorical undertaking is illegitimate, provocative and confrontational! Greece's suggestion for a composite name, without excluding the word "Macedonia" in it, is the most fair and logical proposal!

Should your inherent Greece hate feelings wouldn't have blinded you so much, I am sure a person with your IQ would have been able to also see the rightfulness in Greece's position!

[bg_turk]

Macedonians are a free people, and like all free nations they are free to chose their name and their national symbols free from any external interference.

PS: There are no Pomaks in Macedonia. The Slavic-speaking Muslims of Macedonia are divided into two major categories - the Torbeshi and the Bosniaks. Pomaks inhabit mostly the Rhodop region along the Greek - Bulgarian border.

[Pyrpolizer]

Macedonians are a free people, and like all free nations they are free to chose their name and their national symbols free from any external interference.

PS: There are no Pomaks in Macedonia. The Slavic-speaking Muslims of Macedonia are divided into two major categories - the Torbeshi and the Bosniaks. Pomaks inhabit mostly the Rhodop region along the Greek - Bulgarian border.

Yeah they may even chose to call themselves Coca-Cola, and have the red -white coke flag.
You are not beingn serious are you?

Chosing other people's historical names and symbols is called plagiarism, and it portrays cheap people who take pride on someone else's glory, as if it was theirs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw Tito told them 100 years ago your name is "Macedonians". IT WAS JUST HIS INVENTION. Those illiterate people carried that name with pride and they thought they were indeed the great Macedonians inside the Great Yugoslavia. When Yugoslavia broke up it was simply hard for those people to call themselves any different name.See all they were all their lives was "Macedonians"

Yet just one more catastrophy in people's brains brought out by the communist ideology.