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[Nikitas]

Bananiot

Kassoulides kept this letter from Denktash secret for 3 and half years!!!!!! Like we say in Cyprus, take one and knock him against the other one (piaston ena tziai fakka ton allon). What was he waiting for before informing the people who are most directly concerned about the offer to regain Famagusta., the Famagustians themselves, they are 40 000 people, enough votes to gain him an election!

I had said in posts a few weeks ago that one of the biggest obstacles to a solution in Cyprus is the passive attitude we have which lead us to accept secret diplomacy. Our "leaders" meet for hours, sometimes days, and then come out and give the press the usual statement which goes like: "we had substantial and constructive talks on the delicate aspects of the Cyprus issue". And we sit and take this bullshit!

We had not seen a map of this damned federal bizonal setup till the Annan plan came out and it had to be published. It is an even bet that if the Annan plan did not detail the territory we would not get that map.

Over the last few days I listen carefully to the statements made by candidates on RIK and read Politis and Phileleftheros. It is the same cryptic bullshit all over again. Now we have a new angle, about the various meanings of the word federal.

Finally we must admit to ourselves that the moment we refer to bizonal, and federal we are talking partition. The federal title sweetens the pill somewhat but in the final analysis it is partition. So lets us be open about this and limit its effects by demanding the biggest possible share of the territory. Whoever is willing to accept anything less than 80 per cent of the territory is a loser. And that includes Pap and Christofias and Kassoulides and all aclowns who cannot see the geopolitical game played on them. Territory is the name of this game. It comes first and defines all that follow. And while on that subject we must make sure that any agreement that is signed states clearly that the British Bases are on the Greek Cypriot sides territory and when they go the land will revert to the Greek side. If that is not said, as it was not said in the Annan plan, it is like laying the foundation of a new war.

[Nikitas]

This info is from a very good source. Our leaders, from both sides, when meeting in New York a few years ago had lavish dinners with seafood and then arranged for black prostitutes to visit their suites. I have very reliable sources! Both sides apparently have similar tastes! At least in that we are united!

[Daemon]

We had not seen a map of this damned federal bizonal setup till the Annan plan came out and it had to be published. It is an even bet that if the Annan plan did not detail the territory we would not get that map.

There was a map from the first day we accepted the BBF and Makarios admitted what we must be ready to accept a 25% for the northern state but he was seeing the federation as a partition and not as a reunion that was unavoidable in the European Union where only a total idiot can believe what the TC’s was going to loose that benefit and even if they could, but the fact is what they couldn’t.

The difference now is what the international community must find a way to force again Turkey to accept a solution where the TC’s we will be able to decide for them self’s. And it’s even worst because their isolation is ending and they are getting richer and they can have all the benefits of Europe with out have any responsibility and this is the best deal they could.

Finally we must admit to ourselves that the moment we refer to bizonal, and federal we are talking partition.

Of course such claim is ridiculous especially in European union because if that bullshit was true then the federations in Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland etc are divided.

Whoever is willing to accept anything less than 80 per cent of the territory is a loser.

Yes starting with Makarios that was ready to accept 25%, of course the biggest looser is your self because you just get a gift from behind and this is only what there is.

And basically everything you have said is reflecting the general sickness where everyone is saying what ever his ass wants.

[DT.]

We had not seen a map of this damned federal bizonal setup till the Annan plan came out and it had to be published. It is an even bet that if the Annan plan did not detail the territory we would not get that map.

There was a map from the first day we accepted the BBF and Makarios admitted what we must be ready to accept a 25% for the northern state but he was seeing the federation as a partition and not as a reunion that was unavoidable in the European Union where only a total idiot can believe what the TC’s was going to loose that benefit and even if they could, but the fact is what they couldn’t.

The difference now is what the international community must find a way to force again Turkey to accept a solution where the TC’s we will be able to decide for them self’s. And it’s even worst because their isolation is ending and they are getting richer and they can have all the benefits of Europe with out have any responsibility and this is the best deal they could.

Finally we must admit to ourselves that the moment we refer to bizonal, and federal we are talking partition.

Of course such claim is ridiculous especially in European union because if that bullshit was true then the federations in Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland etc are divided.

Whoever is willing to accept anything less than 80 per cent of the territory is a loser.

Yes starting with Makarios that was ready to accept 25%, of course the biggest looser is your self because you just get a gift from behind and this is only what there is.

And basically everything you have said is reflecting the general sickness where everyone is saying what ever his ass wants.

now that we know you lied about not being a cypriot why don't you tell us what your previous nick was.

[Daemon]

We the Greeks mate

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, thank you opening your heart and telling us your believes and aspirations. Obviously we disagree but there is nothing wrong with that. For example, you claim that bizonality is partition. I say, it does not have to be and it is up to us to make it work for it is the only realistic way forward. If we denounce the Makarios/Denktash and Kyprianou/Denktash agreements then I am afraid it will be the end of Cyprus.

Kasoulides only recently aquired the letters exchanged between Papadopoulos and Denktash. I do not know how he got hold of them but this is immaterial.

Also, before you go on wild accusations about black prostitutes etc you should learn first that generalising is a bad thing. Sure there are crooked, corrupt and bad politicians but this does not give you the right to say that they are all like this. Also, beware of little stories people whisper in your ear. Such people arealways looking to make a sensationalist impact, by appearing to be near decision-making centres. Avoid them.

Get Real, last time you counted, how many army divisions did we have? Now that the focus of Turkey is on Iraq, can we pull a quick one on the dreaded enemy?

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

I have my sources and they are very reliable and they are independent from each other, as good journalism dictates. The prostitute thing is true, I double checked it. Both sides politicians did it. That they did it is not so bad, that they did in the USA, when they might have fallen victims of blackmail is the really shocking thing. On the other hand maybe they dont care because that is how all diplomats behave.

[EPSILON]

Nikitas, thank you opening your heart and telling us your believes and aspirations. Obviously we disagree but there is nothing wrong with that. For example, you claim that bizonality is partition. I say, it does not have to be and it is up to us to make it work for it is the only realistic way forward. If we denounce the Makarios/Denktash and Kyprianou/Denktash agreements then I am afraid it will be the end of Cyprus.

Kasoulides only recently aquired the letters exchanged between Papadopoulos and Denktash. I do not know how he got hold of them but this is immaterial.

Also, before you go on wild accusations about black prostitutes etc you should learn first that generalising is a bad thing. Sure there are crooked, corrupt and bad politicians but this does not give you the right to say that they are all like this. Also, beware of little stories people whisper in your ear. Such people arealways looking to make a sensationalist impact, by appearing to be near decision-making centres. Avoid them.

Get Real, last time you counted, how many army divisions did we have? Now that the focus of Turkey is on Iraq, can we pull a quick one on the dreaded enemy?

A clarification here is required. When you say "we" you mean what?
If you mean Tcs and Gcs you are out of the story/game. The winner of the war was Turkey and it can not be away from a solution.Stop dreaming and try to find a better proposal for solution satisying also the winner of the war- real politics Sir!!!

[Daemon]

I have my sources and they are very reliable and they are independent from each other, as good journalism dictates. The prostitute thing is true, I double checked it. Both sides politicians did it. That they did it is not so bad, that they did in the USA, when they might have fallen victims of blackmail is the really shocking thing. On the other hand maybe they dont care because that is how all diplomats behave.

Clowns are very scary and shocking to us all:

[phoenix]

Nikitas, thank you opening your heart and telling us your believes and aspirations. Obviously we disagree but there is nothing wrong with that. For example, you claim that bizonality is partition. I say, it does not have to be and it is up to us to make it work for it is the only realistic way forward. If we denounce the Makarios/Denktash and Kyprianou/Denktash agreements then I am afraid it will be the end of Cyprus.

Kasoulides only recently aquired the letters exchanged between Papadopoulos and Denktash. I do not know how he got hold of them but this is immaterial.

Also, before you go on wild accusations about black prostitutes etc you should learn first that generalising is a bad thing. Sure there are crooked, corrupt and bad politicians but this does not give you the right to say that they are all like this. Also, beware of little stories people whisper in your ear. Such people arealways looking to make a sensationalist impact, by appearing to be near decision-making centres. Avoid them.

Get Real, last time you counted, how many army divisions did we have? Now that the focus of Turkey is on Iraq, can we pull a quick one on the dreaded enemy?

A clarification here is required. When you say "we" you mean what?
If you mean Tcs and Gcs you are out of the story/game. The winner of the war was Turkey and it can not be away from a solution.Stop dreaming and try to find a better proposal for solution satisying also the winner of the war- real politics Sir!!!

Epsilon I am really confused by a lot of what you say (I know it's probably me . . .). BUT when you say Turkey was the winner of the war, do you mean then that Greece was the loser of the war?
Are you talking about who gets the prize of Cyprus in this war between Turkey and Greece?