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[Nikitas]

Makarios Drousshiotis is talking through his ass! Here is the proof:

he says that in the event that the Annan plan had been accepted and Turkey subsequently did anything to disturb the settlement it would have caused problems in the EU. That it would be tantamount to Russia attacking Estonia.

The man is a wanker! This is exactly what happened with the Imia crisis. Turkey landed troops on undisputed EU territory. And what did the EU do? NOTHING!

Turkey unilaterally claims EU territory in the form of dozens of uninhabited Greek islets, what is the EU doing? It is calling this unilateral claim a "dispute" and turns its back. Turkey even claimed the island of Gavdos, south of Crete as being Turkish and it was not the EU that told them to piss off but the USA. Gavdos is inhabited by the way so the EU ignored claims that jeopardized the life and well being of its citizens.

EU solidarity works in cases you are a member of the in crowd. Greece and Cyprus are not in the in crowd. Spain is that is why the occupation of a Spanish island by Morocco was immediately challenged.

Droushiotis mentions the dangers of the present policy, without specifying them. He says that there is no problem in losing the sovereignty offered by the Republic of Cyprus. But that is exactly the problem stressed by the legal services of the Republic, by to lawyers who are civil servants, not politicians.

There is nothing with bending over backwards to accomodate the Turkish Cypriots. But there is plenty wrong with bending forwards to accomodate Turkey.

[Bananiot]

Nikitas any solution that we can agree to will need to be signed by Turkey. If we are sure that Turkey will not abide by its signature, why bother to look for an agreed solution? Furthermore, we should be careful when we talk about these issues because we were the first to spit on our signature, hardly before the ink had time to dry on the paper. Do you get my drift?

If Droushiotis is that bad why do they not expose him, by inviting him at RIK, lets say? This behaviour (of trying to shut someone up) is only observed in totalitarian regimes. Cyprus is turning into a police state, thanks to Papadopoulos, who by the way, is now in the minority, to borrow Piratis's favourite say.

Today on the radio I heard Kasoulides say that he has in his poccession the letter Denktash sent him on April 4 2003 and the reply of Papadopoulos. Denktash gave back Varosha and asked for both to scrap the Annan Plan. Papadopoulos refused flatly and swore alliance to the cursed Plan! Later on, just before the referendum, he was meeting Denktash's son Serdar in secret, to do exactly what Denktash senior was asking, without Varosha! In any other country of the world this would have created seismic waves, but here the mass media are paid by the ethnarch to hush things and before you ask me to provide evidence let me tell you that this is in the ambient atmosphere!

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

I am no fan of Pap. But when he rejected the plan he gave reasons that happened to coincide with long held principles like the retention of sovereignty and the lack of UN guarantees for the areas to be returned. In other words we were left at the mercy of Turkey in regard to most areas while the Turkish Cypriot demands were all satisfied as of day one.

Sure Turkey will have to agree to any eventual settlement, but the idea is to have the settlement formulated in such a way so that Turkey cannot foul it up while it is being implemented. As for access to the media, Droushiots does not have access to the government controlled RIK, but I read him in Politis and several mainland Greek papers. He is the darling of the DOL group which by the way does the exact same thing to people who disagree with Droushiotis, it refuses to publish their responses to him and to professor Iraklidis.

The deal offered by Denktash, Famagusta for a No to Annan is beneficial looking at it in hindishgt. The logical retort is that Pap intended to have the changes to the plan accepted and from friends who were present at Burgenstock I know that efforts were made to put in some last minute alterations. These were ignored, I suspect because they were given in the wrong form- a 44 page document, compared to the one page 11 point document given by the Turkish side. We all forget the climate at Burgenstock that night, when Erdogan arrived after a carefully laid campaign of promises, that he would be presenting a generous territorial map etc. In the end he gloated that he got everything he wanted without removing a single soldier or giving one square inch of land.

Let us not forget who we are dealing with here. And looking at the other andidates do you see anyone who can negotiate with the Turks? At least to the point of having the balls to say No if nothing else? Kassoulides was foreign minister for years, what did he do back then? Christofias has not presented any specific plans or ideas. None of them seem to grasp the territorial and geopolitical aspects of the Cyprus issue.

[Daemon]

Makarios Drousshiotis is talking through his ass! Here is the proof:

he says that in the event that the Annan plan had been accepted and Turkey subsequently did anything to disturb the settlement it would have caused problems in the EU. That it would be tantamount to Russia attacking Estonia.

The man is a wanker! This is exactly what happened with the Imia crisis. Turkey landed troops on undisputed EU territory. And what did the EU do? NOTHING!

Turkey unilaterally claims EU territory in the form of dozens of uninhabited Greek islets, what is the EU doing? It is calling this unilateral claim a "dispute" and turns its back. Turkey even claimed the island of Gavdos, south of Crete as being Turkish and it was not the EU that told them to piss off but the USA. Gavdos is inhabited by the way so the EU ignored claims that jeopardized the life and well being of its citizens.

EU solidarity works in cases you are a member of the in crowd. Greece and Cyprus are not in the in crowd. Spain is that is why the occupation of a Spanish island by Morocco was immediately challenged.

Yes bullshits like always and death to who ever dares to disagree with the gay “patriots”, some rocks that the ownership can be challenged compared to a sovereign European country. In the same idiotic logic Rhodes but also Athens are always in danger.

Droushiotis mentions the dangers of the present policy, without specifying them. He says that there is no problem in losing the sovereignty offered by the Republic of Cyprus. But that is exactly the problem stressed by the legal services of the Republic, by to lawyers who are civil servants, not politicians.

You have no eyes of your own? You want someone to specify you the reality that is already happening? And no there was not any issue of loosing sovereignty, the sovereignty of Cyprus could be stronger through a united European Cyprus.

[Daemon]

I am no fan of Pap. But when he rejected the plan he gave reasons that happened to coincide with long held principles like the retention of sovereignty and the lack of UN guarantees for the areas to be returned. In other words we were left at the mercy of Turkey in regard to most areas while the Turkish Cypriot demands were all satisfied as of day one.

Sure Turkey will have to agree to any eventual settlement, but the idea is to have the settlement formulated in such a way so that Turkey cannot foul it up while it is being implemented. As for access to the media, Droushiots does not have access to the government controlled RIK, but I read him in Politis and several mainland Greek papers. He is the darling of the DOL group which by the way does the exact same thing to people who disagree with Droushiotis, it refuses to publish their responses to him and to professor Iraklidis.

Who refuses to publish the bullshits of fartator Iraklidis?

And there are some posting and answers for this pathetic person in Drousiotis site and politis is the only newspaper that is posting everything. Not of course like the farts that the nationalist lunatics of simerini (like the ones of the lunatic Lazaros Mavros) are posting but any article that have some sense.

But hey I do not need Drousiotis to answer to idiots.

The media in Cyprus is worst than Iran and you are seeing ghosts DOL and darlings and when you getting back an equal answer your pretending the saint virgins. You are simply pathetic.

All of you people you are so retarded that you should make hara-kiri for the good of your country.

Let us not forget who we are dealing with here. And looking at the other andidates do you see anyone who can negotiate with the Turks? At least to the point of having the balls to say No if nothing else? Kassoulides was foreign minister for years, what did he do back then? Christofias has not presented any specific plans or ideas. None of them seem to grasp the territorial and geopolitical aspects of the Cyprus issue.

Yes and your clown president (don’t say me bullshits again for your stupid clown when you are keep burring with insults your previous presidents Kliridis and Vasileiou and no ones sensitivity have any problem with that) have the great grasp for the territorial geopolitic. Fucking hell you are hopeless. America wanted to contol the area with europe and throw out the Turks that is playing double game between west and east(Iran, Syria, Russia) and your clown president is sucking Russians penis after they got advantage of him and the Russians are not even loosing their time to spit on him.

Kasoulidis did the big mistake to all of you retarded people to make you Europeans (Ευρω-πεους) and the Europeans one by another are admitting what they are sorry for that.

[Bananiot]

You think, Nikitas, that it takes balls to say no? This is perhaps the reason you invest hope on Papadopoulos. He has rejected all plans that were formulated on Cyprus since 1959! He even rejected the London-Zurich agreements. My friend, balls are needed in order to say yes!

Papadopoulos will never agree to share Cyprus with the Turkish Cypriots, even if we were given the best and most workable plan. I remind you that when the Security Council was asked (by us) to offer assurances that Turkey would abide by what were about to be agreed, Papadopoulos sent Iacovou to Moscow to make sure that Russia wouldn't comply.

You say he is the best negotiator. He has been negotiating for decades, even as the representative of the Greek Cypriot community. Show me one success he has had all those years. He accepted Annan Plan no. 3 and negotiated it to its final form, only to say that he achieved nothing and that we should reject it. Oh, yes, Erdogan's comments played their part in our decision. This is how we function in a way, in Cyprus. Had Erdogan said different we would have voted for it in great numbers. Contrary to conventional wisdom, Turks are not stupid.

I also think that you are guilty, Nikitas, of judging without thinking hard first. Okay, we are all guilty of doing this at times, but I think it is miserable to pass comment on any argument, of the type "what do you expect, it is Droushiotis". The honourable thing to do is to debate and argue the points raised, not the person that wrote them.

[Daemon]

You think, Nikitas, that it takes balls to say no? This is perhaps the reason you invest hope on Papadopoulos. He has rejected all plans that were formulated on Cyprus since 1959! He even rejected the London-Zurich agreements. My friend, balls are needed in order to say yes!

Say that once more, you need tons of balls to say yes to strangle to save your country rather to pretending the innocent virgin and crying for your divine rights like the gay “patriots” and threading and insulting the people that was trying to help you because of pathetic weakness and fear (hey fear is not the first reason you rejected the plan?).

[Get Real!]

And what is your problem with Ataturk?

So would you say that Attaturk inspires some of the alternative leadership candidates of Cyprus like Kashoulides and Christofias? Are the rumors true that Christofias has studied Attaturk's biography in great detail?

[Get Real!]

Nikitas any solution that we can agree to will need to be signed by Turkey.

I've got GREAT news for you Bananiot, Cyprus is a SOVEREIGN country so she doesn't need anybody's approval to manage her own territory which includes defending and/or liberating it.

You may now remove your tail from between your legs, come out of your shell and stand up straight and see the sun shining.

[Get Real!]

You think, Nikitas, that it takes balls to say no? This is perhaps the reason you invest hope on Papadopoulos. He has rejected all plans that were formulated on Cyprus since 1959! He even rejected the London-Zurich agreements. My friend, balls are needed in order to say yes!

You're on a roll Bananiot! You should change your alias to "linobambakos"