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[phoenix]

Well if people like Daemon object to T. Papadopoulos so much . . . I don't need to check any other candidate's manifesto . . . . . T. P. will get my vote!

He couldn't come better endorsed

[DT.]

Well if people like Daemon object to T. Papadopoulos so much . . . I don't need to check any other candidate's manifesto . . . . . . T. P. will get my vote!

He couldn't come better endorsed

never let a foreigner influence you in what we should be doing in our country Phoenix.

[Daemon]

so what you're saying is to accept it and then go in with a few amendments through the courts to make this a more workable solution. We tried this with Makarios's 13 points in 63 and the Turks withdrew from the republic.
I would also challenge you to give me one multi cultural federation which has limitations of movement and living on its own nationals in its own territory.[/qote]

It was 100% workable and the whole Europe accepted the plan; you consider them idiots like your president?

is this the same gaurantee that Britain signed against the destruction of the soverignty of Cyprus? The same gaurantees that state that Cyprus cannot be partitioned?

Do you have any more nightmares? Why don’t you try an exorcist?

Of course the above comparison is ridiculous.

Lets do that...haven;'t done this exercise in a while. Start a new thread and lets go through it/

Okay but you have to start it by saying the negatives, or we can do that here.

please explain to me who in their right mind would consider that anything done to that hellish treaty of gaurantee could be deemed as an improvement? WHat was the improvement you refer to?

Read what Tsielepis had said, it was a minus improvement but of course there wan not strengthened like your freak president had claim and all you have said could a lot of more laughing in Eurpe and there is no wonder why you are running out of argument while until know you was strongly supporting what there was not any interference rights (and there is not) in the guarantee.

as i said before maybe I will and maybe I won't....you have no say on the matter as you are not a Cypriot. Which brings me to the other point...To what do we owe this honour of your attantion to our cause if you have no ties with Cyprus?

Vote him, I can guarantee you what you deserve him. And who said what I have no ties with Cyprus? My ex ex ex ex ex …grand father was making holidays in the Ottoman Empire and there he met a nice TC’s lady and this is the reason that you are so fucked up in Cyprus, my genes is all over you .

Ps you English is even worst that mine.

[Get Real!]

Well if people like Daemon object to T. Papadopoulos so much . . . I don't need to check any other candidate's manifesto . . . . . . T. P. will get my vote!

He couldn't come better endorsed

never let a foreigner influence you in what we should be doing in our country Phoenix.

You too will be voting TP by then.

[DT.]

It was 100% workable and the whole Europe accepted the plan; you consider them idiots like your president?

as i said before, I don't give a monkeys what the rest of europe said...I'm the one that had to live with it. Not you and not Olaf Van Guttenborg

is this the same gaurantee that Britain signed against the destruction of the soverignty of Cyprus? The same gaurantees that state that Cyprus cannot be partitioned?

Do you have any more nightmares? Why don’t you try an exorcist?

Of course the above comparison is ridiculous.

why is the comparison ridiculous? Everything was based on turkeys whim. Will Turkey give up the land in the timephrame that was agreed? Who could gaurantee that. Turkey hasn't compied with its latest EU protocol it signed by allowing Cyprus ships and planes to embark and disembark in its territory. Who would go to war with turkey if they refused to give back the land it agreed to?

Lets do that...haven;'t done this exercise in a while. Start a new thread and lets go through it/

Okay but you have to start it by saying the negatives, or we can do that here.

ok I start with why do the people of the north state have to swear allegiance to Ataturk in their constitution?

please explain to me who in their right mind would consider that anything done to that hellish treaty of gaurantee could be deemed as an improvement? WHat was the improvement you refer to?

Read what Tsielepis had said, it was a minus improvement but of course there wan not strengthened like your freak president had claim and all you have said could a lot of more laughing in Eurpe and there is no wonder why you are running out of argument while until know you was strongly supporting what there was not any interference rights (and there is not) in the guarantee.

no one supports there where no intervention rights (apologies for correcting your english but i couldn't take it anymore) What we are supporting is that after Turkey invaded the constitution allowed them to intervene only to reinstate the sovereignty of the island...not partition it.

as i said before maybe I will and maybe I won't....you have no say on the matter as you are not a Cypriot. Which brings me to the other point...To what do we owe this honour of your attantion to our cause if you have no ties with Cyprus?

Vote him, I can guarantee you what you deserve him. And who said what I have no ties with Cyprus? My ex ex ex ex ex …grand father was making holidays in the Ottoman Empire and there he met a nice TC’s lady and this is the reason that you are so fucked up in Cyprus, my genes is all over you .

You got me here. Your bloodline could fuck up Switzerland, let alone Cyprus.

Ps you English is even worst that mine.

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I agree with you there. BTW its youR english is even worst than mine.

[Get Real!]

Daemon, I'd like to ask you to stay with us please on the forum so that we can observe the situation together as it unfolds right up to the election; things are going to get pretty hot soon so your contribution here will be most valuable.

Regards, GR.

[DT.]

as i said before, I don't give a monkeys what the rest of europe said...I'm the one that had to live with it. Not you and not Olaf Van Guttenborg

You can also stick a cucumber in your ass and run in the Olympic Games, what the fuck? Is your human rights !!!

why is the comparison ridiculous? Everything was based on turkeys whim. Will Turkey give up the land in the timephrame that was agreed? Who could gaurantee that. Turkey hasn't compied with its latest EU protocol it signed by allowing Cyprus ships and planes to embark and disembark in its territory. Who would go to war with turkey if they refused to give back the land it agreed to?

Because:

Is Turkey’s crisis proof we were right to say ‘no’?

EACH time Turkey is going through a crisis, there is a renewal of the argument that it would never have implemented the Annan plan and, therefore, a solution based on it was far from being a guaranteed option. The manner in which this argument has been used by those who had stoutly supported a ‘no’ vote contains a number of contradictions. Their 2004 position was that it was a blatantly pro-Turkish plan, dissolving our state and turning it into a Turkish protectorate. Today, they have recanted this argument and admit that since the plan was not so favourable for Turkey it had every reason to circumvent its implementation.

It is a politically na?ve position to argue that “since Erdogan cannot elect a President of Turkey how could he implement the solution of the Cyprus problem”. If the Cyprus problem had been solved, the whole of the island would have been part of Europe. Today, the acquis is suspended in the occupied areas and the whole island is only theoretically part of Europe. The European Union is not concerned by the uncontrolled influx of mainland Turkish settlers but only by the danger that they could easily move to the south. In other words, a solution of the Cyprus problem would have meant that the borders of Europe were in Kyrenia. Today, the de facto reality is that they end in the Ayios Pavlos suburb of Nicosia.
A failure to implement the solution on behalf of Turkey would have meant that the sovereignty of an EU member-state was under dispute, a development that by itself would have been sufficient to cause extensive complications to the functioning of the European Union.

Such a move by Turkey would be tantamount to a Russian attack against Estonia. It is inconceivable that this step could ever have taken place because Europe would never tolerate it. Does Turkey have the strength to confront the whole of Europe? Is it possible that the EU would accept this large-scale deviation from what had been agreed?
Moreover, the Security Council and the United States were the guarantors of the agreement and it is inconceivable that they would have allowed Turkey to jeopardise an agreement for resolving an international dispute, which was projected as a model for similar disputes around the world.
Is Turkey so strong that it can brazenly confront the whole world? Finally, if Cyprus cannot trust the European Union and the United Nations as credible guarantors of a solution, then why are we insisting that the Cyprus issue should be resolved through negotiations?

If in 2004, with the whole world standing by our side, we believed that the guarantees for implementing the solution were not strong enough, then what more can we gain from an agreement based on the July 8 procedure, which oddly enough is supported by those who have been arguing that Turkey would never have implemented the solution? Unless the July 8 agreement is yet another communications ploy, like the one of 2003, when we never tired of accusing Denktash in various international fora that he accepted the Annan plan only as a point of reference, whereas our side believed it was the basis for a solution!

Concerns about the implementation of a solution could easily be viewed from the opposite perspective. We had to predict the future complications arising in the path of Turkey’s accession process, either because of internal reasons (such as the current crisis) or because of external ones (such as the election of Nicolas Sarkozy). We had to take advantage of that particular moment in history, when Turkey was fervently seeking a date for the start of accession negotiations with the EU and there was a strong prospect that it would join as a member.

Instead, we have followed a policy based on the pursuit of a solution in the long term, while simultaneously taking advantage of our position as an EU member. Such a policy, however, carries bigger and more dangerous risks than those that would have resulted had we accepted the proposed plan.
Another arguments used, and one that has a wide appeal among public opinion, is that we would have dissolved our state and left ourselves exposed.

Our state is not a simple object that can be lost. A state consists of territory, population, institutions and its recognition. Our state would have become stronger and bigger. Stretching from the Cape of Saint Andreas to the harbour of Paphos, it was going to become a member of the most powerful political and economic club in the world.

The Turkish Cypriots, for political, economic and, even, for reasons of self interest, would have chosen Europe over Anatolia. Through a proper policy (not like the one we followed between 1960 and 1963), the implementation of the solution would not be dependent on Turkey. Any attempt by Turkey to try and complicate the situation could become a boomerang and irrevocably cut the umbilical cord between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots. Provided, however, that we had leaders with a vision and not scare mongers.

Makarios Drousiotis
Cyprus Mail
20/05/2007

ok I start with why do the people of the north state have to swear allegiance to Ataturk in their constitution?

What alliance man? There was not such a thing and I challenge on this and any other bullshit you have said to show me where in the northern constitution was such a thing?

no one supports there where no intervention rights (apologies for coerrecting your English but i couldn;t take it anymore) What we are supporting is that after Turkey invaded the constitution allowed them to intervene only to reinstate the sovereignty of the island...not partition it.

If I’ll fall in your level we will finish tomorrow about our English and I will coerrecting (correcting) your English until tomorrow

Man you have no even a clue of what are you talking about why are your pushing your luck, you consider your self a brave man with pampers?

here you go sir

http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/AnnexI/


The President of the State shall take the following oath on his investiture
“I do swear upon my honour and dignity that I shall preserve the existence ,
rights and sovereignly exercised powers of the Turkish Cypriot State within the
United Cyprus Republic ; that I shall be bound by the principle of the supremacy
of law and by the principles of a democratic, secular State and social justice and
the principles of Atatürk; that I shall work for the welfare and happiness of the
people; that I shall not depart from the ideal that every citizen must benefit from
human rights and liberties and that I shall remain loyal to the Constitution and
the laws ; and that I shall do all in my power to exalt the State and to perform
impartially the duties I have undertaken.”

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[Daemon]

The President of the State shall take the following oath on his investiture
“I do swear upon my honour and dignity that I shall preserve the existence ,
rights and sovereignly exercised powers of the Turkish Cypriot State within the
United Cyprus Republic ; that I shall be bound by the principle of the supremacy
of law and by the principles of a democratic, secular State and social justice and
the principles of Atatürk; that I shall work for the welfare and happiness of the
people; that I shall not depart from the ideal that every citizen must benefit from
human rights and liberties and that I shall remain loyal to the Constitution and
the laws ; and that I shall do all in my power to exalt the State and to perform
impartially the duties I have undertaken.”

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You see who much are you fooling you self, there is not any kind of alliance to Attaturk, it just referring to some values

Daemon-Cyprus-Forum = 100-0

[Daemon]

You people are so pathetic, you are so hopeless racists that you think what a referring to some values is an allegiance (what?) to Atatürk, you are completely retarded (just think about it and maybe there is some cure for retardedness ).

And what is your problem with Ataturk? He was a great gay for his country, where is your fucking problem when there is just some referring to something common he said?

You are even more gay from what he was.

Score: Daemon-Greek Cypriot Hilariours show = 101-0 and counting

[Daemon]

Retardedness? What a great word I have discovered!!! It completely describes your brightness (102-0).

But I’m disappointed with you, I’ve drink a whole bottle of whisky just to sit here and enjoy the show and there is no show. Where is the show? Why you had to sleep so early?

Never mind, I will be ready tomorrow for the match