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[Daemon]

On the contratry Bananiot, the territory issues is VITAL whether the solution is outright pratition or federation. The map must reflect the population ratios.

In your dreams? The present status is leading you to the absolute zero.

One of the many reasons for this is the simple fact that the Turkish part, under whatever settlement, will be exclusively Turkish

in the anan plan you had the right to have there the 1/3 of the population with voting rights and Cyprus was exclusively Cypriot.

, whereas the other part will be for ALL the non Turkish communities of Cyprus, the ones the Turks exclude from any participation in the settlement.

I can’t understand where you based that.

Secondly, if Turkey decided on partition there is nothing any of our politicians can say or do that will change that decision. So to blame one politician for a course of action decided by Turkey does not make sense.

Like it is proven you could by a balanced compromise (and this is what Anan plan was) where you had the support of the whole world and where it was the tremendous activation of the international factor that you piss on.

Same goes for flooding the north with settlers. Only Turkey can stop that. Short of an open revolt by Turkish Cypriots there is no external action that can stop colonisation. Even the Annan plan had more provisions for settlers than us Cypriots (Greek and Turkish) of the diaspora, and no one dared mention this fact.

Where did you find all this bullshits men? The Anan plan was guaranteeing the population balance.

As for annexation, what is it now? Is it not annexation when the mainlander outnmber the Cypriots and the army is still over 40 000? You think that kicking out one elected official will change all this? That is why we call it invasion and occupation and that is what it has been for 33 years.

I really doubt what you will have another chance, but of course in the Anan plan you did not had Turkey on your land and next to your borders. And the elected official shoud make hara-kiri with all of them that are still thinking voting him.

[Daemon]

I supported him against the Annan plan in the form it was delivered to us

In the way it was delivered by him and the media you mean.

On the whole I would not vote for him however i believe the extremes politis goes through to proove him wrong makes people like me think twice about not voting for someone like him. Their ultra liberalism is mind boggling sometimes.

Then maybe you should reconsider voting him again because you can’t understand what he did to you.

[DT.]

On the contratry Bananiot, the territory issues is VITAL whether the solution is outright pratition or federation. The map must reflect the population ratios.

In your dreams? The present status is leading you to the absolute zero.

One of the many reasons for this is the simple fact that the Turkish part, under whatever settlement, will be exclusively Turkish

in the anan plan you had the right to have there the 1/3 of the population with voting rights and Cyprus was exclusively Cypriot.

, whereas the other part will be for ALL the non Turkish communities of Cyprus, the ones the Turks exclude from any participation in the settlement.

I can’t understand where you based that.

Secondly, if Turkey decided on partition there is nothing any of our politicians can say or do that will change that decision. So to blame one politician for a course of action decided by Turkey does not make sense.

Like it is proven you could by a balanced compromise (and this is what Anan plan was) where you had the support of the whole world and where it was the tremendous activation of the international factor that you piss on.

Same goes for flooding the north with settlers. Only Turkey can stop that. Short of an open revolt by Turkish Cypriots there is no external action that can stop colonisation. Even the Annan plan had more provisions for settlers than us Cypriots (Greek and Turkish) of the diaspora, and no one dared mention this fact.

Where did you find all this bullshits men? The Anan plan was guaranteeing the population balance.

As for annexation, what is it now? Is it not annexation when the mainlander outnmber the Cypriots and the army is still over 40 000? You think that kicking out one elected official will change all this? That is why we call it invasion and occupation and that is what it has been for 33 years.

I really doubt what you will have another chance, but of course in the Anan plan you did not had Turkey on your land and next to your borders. And the elected official shoud make hara-kiri with all of them that are still thinking voting him.

1) The annan plan made sure that there would always be a majority of TC's+40,000 settlers in the north thus democracy goes out the window. If there's a quota of how many of your countrymen can live in your own country when any German, English, Swede can live wherever they like in it then this part of the plan could have been drawn up by Kermit the Frog.

2) Regarding the support of the whole world on the annan plan: The world and yourself wouldn;t have to live under the annan plan....we would.

3) The annan plan could not gaurantee population balances when the immigration of the north state was handled by the north state.

4) As for Turkey on our border...with the traety of gaurantees being strengthned in the annan plan...any excuse could be used by Turkey to interven again. The result would be 2 equally sovereign statelets and not the international recognised govt versus a state not recognised as we have today.

[DT.]

I supported him against the Annan plan in the form it was delivered to us

In the way it was delivered by him and the media you mean.

On the whole I would not vote for him however i believe the extremes politis goes through to proove him wrong makes people like me think twice about not voting for someone like him. Their ultra liberalism is mind boggling sometimes.

Then maybe you should reconsider voting him again because you can’t understand what he did to you.

may be I will and maybe I won't. You on the other hand have no say on the matter.

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[Daemon]

The annan plan made sure that there would always be a majority of TC's+40,000 settlers in the north thus democracy goes out the window. If there's a quota of how many of your countrymen can live in your own country when any German, English, Swede can live wherever they like in it then this part of the plan could have been drawn up by Kermit the Frog.

In the Anan plan you had the 1/3 of the population and the right for everyone wanted to stay there for ever and the possibility to challenge this the 1/3 in the courts and now you only have Papadopoulos shit hole.

The multi cultural (bicomunal) federations always have some restrictions for these matters and for sure there is not an issue of democracy on this.

2) Regarding the support of the whole world on the annan plan: The world and yourself wouldn;t have to live under the annan plan....we would.

You could be a united sovereign country under Europe and the responsibility for the workability for the plan was taken from Europe in the 100%.

3) The annan plan could not gaurantee population balances when the immigration of the north state was handled by the north state.

It was not handled by the north state. And if you want we can start examine the plan (I prefer in Greek).

4) As for Turkey on our border...with the traety of gaurantees being strengthned in the annan plan...any excuse could be used by Turkey to interven again. The result would be 2 equally sovereign statelets and not the international recognised govt versus a state not recognised as we have today.

The guarantees was not strengthened in any way, it was exactly the same with some improvement. And of course is ridiculous to claim what Turkey could interfere when ever she wants to a sovereign European country while to interfere in Cyprus at 74 it was necessary to turn the world around with the coup and there was not one in a million to have 2 sovereign states in Europe or according to the provisions of the Anan plan.

You are just describing me the bullshits that Papadopoulos has said in his ridiculous speech.

Maybe you should reconsider voting him, after all you deserve him.

[DT.]

In the Anan plan you had the 1/3 of the population and the right for everyone wanted to stay there for ever and the possibility to challenge this in the courts and now you have Papadopoulos shit hole. The multi cultural (bicomunal) federations always have some restrictions for these matters and for sure there is not an issue of democracy on this.

so what you're saying is to accept it and then go in with a few amendments through the courts to make this a more workable solution. We tried this with Makarios's 13 points in 63 and the Turks withdrew from the republic.
I would also challenge you to give me one multi cultural federation which has limitations of movement and living on its own nationals in its own territory.

You could be a united sovereign country under Europe and the responsibility for the workability for the plan was taken from Europe in the 100%.

is this the same gaurantee that Britain signed against the destruction of the soverignty of Cyprus? The same gaurantees that state that Cyprus cannot be partitioned?

It was not handled by the north state. And if you want we can start examine the plan (I prefer in Greek).

Lets do that...haven;'t done this exercise in a while. Start a new thread and lets go through it/

The guarantees was not strengthened in any way, it was exactly the same with some improvement. And of course is ridiculous to claim what Turkey could interfere when ever she wants to a sovereign European country while to interfere in Cyprus at 74 it was necessary to turn the world around with the coup and there was not one in a million to have 2 sovereign states in Europe or according to the provisions of the Anan plan.

please explain to me who in their right mind would consider that anything done to that hellish treaty of gaurantee could be deemed as an improvement? WHat was the improvement you refer to?

Maybe you should reconsider voting him, after all you deserve him

as i said before maybe I will and maybe I won't....you have no say on the matter as you are not a Cypriot. Which brings me to the other point...To what do we owe this honour of your attantion to our cause if you have no ties with Cyprus?

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