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[Daemon]

Ας κάνουμε το δικηγόρο του διαβόλου:
1.Δίχως τους Εγγλέζους δεν μπαίναμε στην Ε.Ε.
2.Δίχως τη συνδρομή τους δεν θα υπήρχε ΟΥΝΦΙΚΥΠ, ούτε η ασφάλεια του στάτους κβο.
3.Δίχως τις Βάσεις θα ήμασταν κατά πολύ φτωχότεροι.
4.Δίχως τον τουρισμό τους θα πεινούσαμε.
5.Δίχως τις επενδύσεις τους στα ακίνητα δεν θα συντελείτο αυτό που στο επιτελείο του Τάσσου ονομάζουν δεύτερο οικονομικό θαύμα, άσχετο αν ζούμε πουλώντας τη γη μας σ' αυτούς που θεωρούμε σαν τους χειρότερους εχθρούς μας.

Καλά, αφού μας αγαπούν τόσο πολύ οι Εγγλέζοι γιατί μας τα κάνουν όλα αυτά;
Ούτε μας αγαπούν, ούτε μας μισούν. Κάνουν πολιτική, όπως νομίζουν ότι εξυπηρετούνται καλύτερα τα συμφέροντά τους. Πριν το 2004 μας υποστήριζαν, διότι η ένταξη στην Ε.Ε. ήταν η μόνη πίεση στην Τουρκία για να λυθεί το Κυπριακό και ν' ανοίξει ο δρόμος για τον εκδημοκρατισμό της χώρας. Αυτό ήταν το συμφέρον τους. Τώρα μας κυνηγούν - όχι μόνο οι Εγγλέζοι - ο κόσμος ΟΛΟΣ, διότι τους ΕΞΑΠΑΤΗΣΑΜΕ! Τελεία και παύλα!

The rest is here:
http://www.politis.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?- ... columns&-p

Of course the problem is not the British (I never liked them anyway) but everyone else like Italy, Germany, Sweden, Finland and I don’t know if there are some that are neutral, but for sure except Greece no one even care after all this government did.

[Daemon]

DT

I do not vote for Papadopoulos.

Good for you, please say to us the reasons why you don’t vote him and maybe I’ll understand your comments.

[Get Real!]

Turkey's constant illegal stay on Cyprus and promotion of a dual federation with the mere 18% TC minority IS blackmail against sovereign Cyprus.

And you great "patriot" leader gave them the green light to stay in Cyprus for ever, what is next?

TP is not the alpha and the omega of the Cyprus problem as he has only been running the country for the last four years so you might want to have a talk with the previous treasonous clowns like Klerides and Vasiliou for any mess that exists today.

[DT.]

DT

I do not vote for Papadopoulos.

Good for you, please say to us the reasons why you don’t vote him and maybe I’ll understand your comments.

Only if you discuss in a civilised manner without swearing at everyone...especially my country.

[Get Real!]

Ας κάνουμε το δικηγόρο του διαβόλου:

1.Δίχως τους Εγγλέζους δεν μπαίναμε στην Ε.Ε.
All countries joining the EU need the approval of ALL other members so no chocolate cookies for Britain there.

2.Δίχως τη συνδρομή τους δεν θα υπήρχε ΟΥΝΦΙΚΥΠ, ούτε η ασφάλεια του στάτους κβο.
Bollocks, Cyprus pays for the ENTIRE Unficyp overheads.

3.Δίχως τις Βάσεις θα ήμασταν κατά πολύ φτωχότεροι.
Bollocks again, that's a LOT of land that could've been used for a wide range of projects/investments by the RoC.

4.Δίχως τον τουρισμό τους θα πεινούσαμε.
Cyprus is moving AWAY from tourism BIG TIME.

5.Δίχως τις επενδύσεις τους στα ακίνητα δεν θα συντελείτο αυτό που στο επιτελείο του Τάσσου ονομάζουν δεύτερο οικονομικό θαύμα, άσχετο αν ζούμε πουλώντας τη γη μας σ' αυτούς που θεωρούμε σαν τους χειρότερους εχθρούς μας.
Does that include their "investments" in the "TRNC"?

[Daemon]

Only if you discuss in a civilised manner without swearing at everyone...especially my country.

You haven’t actually realize what I’m not the one that started this.

TP is not the alpha and the omega of the Cyprus problem as he has only been running the country for the last four years so you might want to have a talk with the previous treasonous clowns like Klerides and Vasiliou for any mess that exists today.

And why I have to respect the clown you have now when you can’t respect your own clowns?

I truly can’t understand you people and the harm that Papadopoulos did can’t be compared in any way of what those 2 did. And those 2 had put in Europe where Papadopoulos could only put you in a shit hole (like the one that you are now).

And traitor’s bullshit is just for retarded, so keep it for your self.

[DT.]

Only if you discuss in a civilised manner without swearing at everyone...especially my country.

You haven’t actually realize what I’m not the one that started this.

TP is not the alpha and the omega of the Cyprus problem as he has only been running the country for the last four years so you might want to have a talk with the previous treasonous clowns like Klerides and Vasiliou for any mess that exists today.

And why I have to respect the clown you have now when you can’t respect your own clowns?

I truly can’t understand you people and the harm that Papadopoulos did can’t be compared in any way of what those 2 did. And those 2 had put in Europe where Papadopoulos could only put you in a shit hole (like the one that you are now).

And traitor’s bullshit is just for retarded, so keep it for your self.

I believe you called cyprus a shit hole on your very first post on this forum.

Hey one of those is a moderator here, where can someone found hope in this shit hole?

Cypriots (both sides) in the end get what they deserve.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"Partition will be a major defeat for Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots alike. The territory issue is academic. If it comes down to partition, the north will be as good as annexed to Turkey and soon the population will grow to more than a million. The Turkish Cypriots (with the emphasis on Cypriot) will move to the south or emigrate to European Union countries. We will be virtually choked to death by Turkey and our future will loom very uncertain. Those that say "wait for the balance of power to change" do not really grasp the realities and are simply led astray by the patriotic cries of the bigots, that have hurt us so much in the past.

And one word of advice: The president is accountable just like all elected to various posts politicians. It is the duty of all those that disagree with his policies to stand up and say their disagreement. Accusing those that criticise the President for his choices is like calling for the end of democracy and a return to the time of the Greek junta."

On the contratry Bananiot, the territory issues is VITAL whether the solution is outright pratition or federation. The map must reflect the population ratios. One of the many reasons for this is the simple fact that the Turkish part, under whatever settlement, will be exclusively Turkish, whereas the other part will be for ALL the non Turkish communities of Cyprus, the ones the Turks exclude from any participation in the settlement.

Secondly, if Turkey decided on partition there is nothing any of our politicians can say or do that will change that decision. So to blame one politician for a course of action decided by Turkey does not make sense.

Same goes for flooding the north with settlers. Only Turkey can stop that. Short of an open revolt by Turkish Cypriots there is no external action that can stop colonisation. Even the Annan plan had more provisions for settlers than us Cypriots (Greek and Turkish) of the diaspora, and no one dared mention this fact.

As for annexation, what is it now? Is it not annexation when the mainlander outnmber the Cypriots and the army is still over 40 000? You think that kicking out one elected official will change all this? That is why we call it invasion and occupation and that is what it has been for 33 years.

[Daemon]

I believe you called cyprus a shit hole on your very first post on this forum.

Not exactly, maybe I spoke about the shit hole that your government have put you in to.

Ps: please give me your reasons why you will not vote Papadopoulos?

[DT.]

I believe you called cyprus a shit hole on your very first post on this forum.

Not exactly, maybe I spoke about the shit hole that your government have put you in to.

Ps: please give me your reasons why you will not vote Papadopoulos?

I diagreed with the manner in which the negotiations were carried out in Burgenstock.
I supported him against the Annan plan in the form it was delivered to us
I disagree with his foreign policy and consider it too isolationist
I consider his finance minister one of the best we ever had.

On the whole I would not vote for him however i believe the extremes politis goes through to proove him wrong makes people like me think twice about not voting for someone like him. Their ultra liberalism is mind boggling sometimes.