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[Piratis]

The only experience we had leads us not to trust your brand "human right for all" as it always seems to favor the GCs and discriminate against TCs. Thats why safeguards are vital to counteract and attempt to dominate or exploit the minority, giving us a equal opportunity to be elected and have input into our futures. Otherwise the 80% will ensure we are once again excluded and hey presto 1963 all over again.

We had a lot more experience from your rule over us. Do you want exchange experiences?

You can get all the safeguards that you want to ensure that you minority will not be excluded. No problem with that.
The problem is that you want to steal our land, and to reduce us from 82% to 50%.

Not to be excluded is one thing, to take 50% power for your 18% minority is a whole another. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

[denizaksulu]

You are a PRATus MAXIMUS. Till you recognise us as Cypriots you will always be a prat.

It is not up to me to recognize you as anything.

It is up to you to be Cypriots or not. A TC that considers as his country the "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" he declares himself as non-Cypriot. He declares himself to be a citizen of some "Turkish Republic" which just happens to be illegally established in Cyprus on land stolen from the Cypriots.

Not all TCs are like that of course, but it appears that the majority is.

OK then. Apart from my outburst today, you show me where I ever mentioned TRNC. Out of respect to most GC feelings I have always mentioned 'the North', to the chagrin of my TC brothers. People like you push me too far. I see your aggression as a rejection of my Cypriotness and racism.

Have a ni............no have a horrible day

[StuartN]

The only experience we had leads us not to trust your brand "human right for all" as it always seems to favor the GCs and discriminate against TCs. Thats why safeguards are vital to counteract and attempt to dominate or exploit the minority, giving us a equal opportunity to be elected and have input into our futures. Otherwise the 80% will ensure we are once again excluded and hey presto 1963 all over again.

We had a lot more experience from your rule over us. Do you want exchange experiences?

You can get all the safeguards that you want to ensure that you minority will not be excluded. No problem with that.
The problem is that you want to steal our land, and to reduce us from 82% to 50%.

Not to be excluded is one thing, to take 50% power for your 18% minority is a whole another. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

and your personal experience of the Ottomans would be....????

We are talking history here Piratis - The GC's were making chutney out of the TC's in living memory. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

[Eric dayi]

Only on Cyprus will you hear a grey wolf crying “wolf” as the hunter becomes the hunted…

Regards, GR.

Yes, you did, didn't you?

[halil]

You are a PRATus MAXIMUS. Till you recognise us as Cypriots you will always be a prat.

It is not up to me to recognize you as anything.

It is up to you to be Cypriots or not. A TC that considers as his country the "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" he declares himself as non-Cypriot. He declares himself to be a citizen of some "Turkish Republic" which just happens to be illegally established in Cyprus on land stolen from the Cypriots.

Not all TCs are like that of course, but it appears that the majority is.

BULLEZ es by the NUMBER.

come on last ones left.

[Piratis]

The only experience we had leads us not to trust your brand "human right for all" as it always seems to favor the GCs and discriminate against TCs. Thats why safeguards are vital to counteract and attempt to dominate or exploit the minority, giving us a equal opportunity to be elected and have input into our futures. Otherwise the 80% will ensure we are once again excluded and hey presto 1963 all over again.

We had a lot more experience from your rule over us. Do you want exchange experiences?

You can get all the safeguards that you want to ensure that you minority will not be excluded. No problem with that.
The problem is that you want to steal our land, and to reduce us from 82% to 50%.

Not to be excluded is one thing, to take 50% power for your 18% minority is a whole another. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

and your personal experience of the Ottomans would be....????

We are talking history here Piratis - The GC's were making chutney out of the TC's in living memory. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

No kidding!

My personal experience is just that of Turkish occupation of my country which exists since the day I was born.

On the other hand most TCs alive today have no personal experience of the things they cry about. And do you want a bet that if the problem continues for a few more decades and none of them will have personal experience of those events they will still use them as an excuse?

The Turks started it, the Turks did the most crimes by far, and the Turks continue doing the crimes today. See it any way you want, the conclusion is always the same: Cyprus is the victim of Turkish aggression. All Cypriots wanted and want is to rule their own island democratically without foreign interventions and occupations.

[Piratis]

You are a PRATus MAXIMUS. Till you recognise us as Cypriots you will always be a prat.

It is not up to me to recognize you as anything.

It is up to you to be Cypriots or not. A TC that considers as his country the "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus" he declares himself as non-Cypriot. He declares himself to be a citizen of some "Turkish Republic" which just happens to be illegally established in Cyprus on land stolen from the Cypriots.

Not all TCs are like that of course, but it appears that the majority is.

OK then. Apart from my outburst today, you show me where I ever mentioned TRNC. Out of respect to most GC feelings I have always mentioned 'the North', to the chagrin of my TC brothers. People like you push me too far. I see your aggression as a rejection of my Cypriotness and racism.

Have a ni............no have a horrible day

Was I talking to you when you jumped in the discussion? The reply was to Zan and to VP. About you I am not sure so I will not say, even if you wish me "horrible day"

[denizaksulu]

The only experience we had leads us not to trust your brand "human right for all" as it always seems to favor the GCs and discriminate against TCs. Thats why safeguards are vital to counteract and attempt to dominate or exploit the minority, giving us a equal opportunity to be elected and have input into our futures. Otherwise the 80% will ensure we are once again excluded and hey presto 1963 all over again.

We had a lot more experience from your rule over us. Do you want exchange experiences?

You can get all the safeguards that you want to ensure that you minority will not be excluded. No problem with that.
The problem is that you want to steal our land, and to reduce us from 82% to 50%.

Not to be excluded is one thing, to take 50% power for your 18% minority is a whole another. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

and your personal experience of the Ottomans would be....????

We are talking history here Piratis - The GC's were making chutney out of the TC's in living memory. I hope you are smart enough to understand the difference between the two.

No kidding!

My personal experience is just that of Turkish occupation of my country which exists since the day I was born.

On the other hand most TCs alive today have no personal experience of the things they cry about. And do you want a bet that if the problem continues for a few more decades and none of them will have personal experience of those events they will still use them as an excuse?

The Turks started it, the Turks did the most crimes by far, and the Turks continue doing the crimes today. See it any way you want, the conclusion is always the same: Cyprus is the victim of Turkish aggression. All Cypriots wanted and want is to rule their own island democratically without foreign interventions and occupations.

...pray tell me Prat, who is quoting from 1571. Oh, that was the year you were born was it. That was your own personal experience was it? Those living in glass houses - comes to mind.

[observer]

It is the opposite: You decided to be Turks, and therefore thats how we see you.

observer wrote:
How quickly you forget. Three years ago 65% of us voted to be Cypriots. 75% of GCs voted to deny us. Only the Eu has forced GCs to open the door a little.


Piratis wrote
I don't rember such vote. What I remember was a partition plan that would grand you our land, and of course you voted yes and we voted no for it.

Here is what your own Mehmet Ali Birand said about that plan:

Quote:
Before the vote on the Annan plan, I personally believed the Turkish Cypriots were faced with a historic opportunity and did everything I could to ensure that the plan was a success. I believed that, with the plan, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) would be able to stand on its own two feet. The KKTC would enter the European Union with Greek Cyprus and consequently, the Cyprus issue would no longer be an obstacle to Turkey's EU aspirations. I am still of the same opinion.

Mehmet Ali Birand


So it was the "partition+ plan" for you:
Partition + EU + no Cyprus obstacle for the Turkish accession in EU.

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You either do not know, or are completely ignorant of the spirit of those times. Any type of BBF will end up with some people not getting their land back. TCs understood this, GCs still don't understand it. The TC community as a whole were enthusiastic about ending the problem and getting on with our lives. Other matters were secondary, especially for younger, more idealistic people. Now they have experienced GCs I think that any referendum on the same basis as the A Plan would only just get a majority saying yes, possibly even a majority saying no.

As for Mehmet Ali Birand, it's obvious from his statement that he wanted the BBF of the A plan, not partition. Other things would flow from it.

[StuartN]

Piratis - you said:

We had a lot more experience from your rule over us. Do you want exchange experiences?

I asked:

and your personal experience of the Ottomans would be....????

You replied:

My personal experience is just that of Turkish occupation of my country which exists since the day I was born.

..... You've avoided the point again Piratis. Too inconvenient for you to answer? - by playing games with words you make a rod for your own back I'm afraid dear boy.