Piratis wrote:It seem Eric and friends don't want to understand that what we are saying is that it started 4 centuries ago but it continue until today.
Here are the years that GCs suffered from the Turks:
1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Comparatively, here are the years that TCs can claim that they also had suffered due to GC:
1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974
Now lets compare amount of casulaties:
During these years Greek Cypriots have suffered 10s of thousands (several 1000s of which in 1974) of casualties and 100s of thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in 1974.
Comparatively the TCs have lost, at max, 800 people.
Now lets compare living conditions and rights:
The population of Cyprus under the Ottomans during their 3 century rule instead of doubling as it would be the norm it had actually decreased. Those that survived the massacres and the bad living conditions, where forced to live as third category people. The Cypriots had to pay twice as much taxes compared to the Muslims that were imported from Asia (now called TCs), and their testimony in the courts was not even accepted. No need to say that we were allowed absolutely no say for the destiny of our island.
More recently with the Turkish invasion of 1974, the Turks didn't even allow us to exist in 1/3rd of our country, and the few 100s of GCs that remained enclaved had absolutely no say, and their human rights grossly violated. Soon after the Turks declared the occupied as a "Turkish Republic", totally ignoring the fact that that part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs.
In comparison, the TCs started the whole conflict in the 60s because GCs proposed to remove some racist discriminations and undemocratic provisions that were forced on us by the British in order to reward the TC minority for fighting on their side during our anti-colonial straggle. E.g. for the TC minority of 18% to have the 30% of government positions, or the TC minority to have veto powers.
So basically our "crime" was that we wanted to make Cyprus a normal democratic country like all the rest. TCs would still be equal citizens, with their full human rights and boosted representation in the government! Compare that with how they treated us when they ruled Cyprus, or how they treat now the GCs who have remained enclaved in the occupied areas.
Now the TCs having nothing else to say they exaggerate as much as they can their own, drop in the ocean (comparatively) suffering, in an effort to excuse yet more crimes against us. This is why they want to always talk about the past, but only for the past that suits them, not before, not after, and even during that decade they keep talking about they conveniently ignore their own responsibilities and their own crimes against us.
shahmaran wrote:Oh maybe we should start digging up the atrocities of the entire Greek race from their "very proud" 10,000 year of history and start claiming justice, if the TCs are to blame for the Ottoman actions then i guess the GCs should be blamed for the Greek actions and then we can have one big Hellenic vs Turkic orgy, sounds fair to me, how about you?
Following the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.
Nikitas wrote:Turkey ten steps ahead. Well! Maybe it should many more steps ahead until it disappears into the sunset!
MR-from-NG wrote:Piratis wrote:It seem Eric and friends don't want to understand that what we are saying is that it started 4 centuries ago but it continue until today.
Here are the years that GCs suffered from the Turks:
1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Comparatively, here are the years that TCs can claim that they also had suffered due to GC:
1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974
Now lets compare amount of casulaties:
During these years Greek Cypriots have suffered 10s of thousands (several 1000s of which in 1974) of casualties and 100s of thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in 1974.
Comparatively the TCs have lost, at max, 800 people.
Now lets compare living conditions and rights:
The population of Cyprus under the Ottomans during their 3 century rule instead of doubling as it would be the norm it had actually decreased. Those that survived the massacres and the bad living conditions, where forced to live as third category people. The Cypriots had to pay twice as much taxes compared to the Muslims that were imported from Asia (now called TCs), and their testimony in the courts was not even accepted. No need to say that we were allowed absolutely no say for the destiny of our island.
More recently with the Turkish invasion of 1974, the Turks didn't even allow us to exist in 1/3rd of our country, and the few 100s of GCs that remained enclaved had absolutely no say, and their human rights grossly violated. Soon after the Turks declared the occupied as a "Turkish Republic", totally ignoring the fact that that part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs.
In comparison, the TCs started the whole conflict in the 60s because GCs proposed to remove some racist discriminations and undemocratic provisions that were forced on us by the British in order to reward the TC minority for fighting on their side during our anti-colonial straggle. E.g. for the TC minority of 18% to have the 30% of government positions, or the TC minority to have veto powers.
So basically our "crime" was that we wanted to make Cyprus a normal democratic country like all the rest. TCs would still be equal citizens, with their full human rights and boosted representation in the government! Compare that with how they treated us when they ruled Cyprus, or how they treat now the GCs who have remained enclaved in the occupied areas.
Now the TCs having nothing else to say they exaggerate as much as they can their own, drop in the ocean (comparatively) suffering, in an effort to excuse yet more crimes against us. This is why they want to always talk about the past, but only for the past that suits them, not before, not after, and even during that decade they keep talking about they conveniently ignore their own responsibilities and their own crimes against us.
You need your head tested mate. I hope your administration has the same argument skills as you do in the Cypro No fucking wonder Turkey claims to be 10 steps ahead of you regarding the Cypro
Eric dayi wrote:Actually, there was a big party which was started in 1963 by the Greek Cypriots and Greeks from Greece and the party was called "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS".
The party went on for 11 years, the Greeks and GCs were getting a little bored and decided to "liven" the party up a little starting with a "coup" to be followed by "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS" again but the Greeks and GCs made a big mistake and invited Turkey to the party who put an end to the party which in turn put an end to the "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS" game which then turned in to a tug of war game, the rest is history, as they say.
miltiades wrote:Eric dayi wrote:Actually, there was a big party which was started in 1963 by the Greek Cypriots and Greeks from Greece and the party was called "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS".
The party went on for 11 years, the Greeks and GCs were getting a little bored and decided to "liven" the party up a little starting with a "coup" to be followed by "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS" again but the Greeks and GCs made a big mistake and invited Turkey to the party who put an end to the party which in turn put an end to the "Kill all TCs for ENOSIS" game which then turned in to a tug of war game, the rest is history, as they say.
As usual , you are talking rubbish. Not one single T/C lost his /her life 7 years prior to the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey , so what the hell are you talking about foreigner ??
zan wrote:MR-from-NG wrote:Piratis wrote:It seem Eric and friends don't want to understand that what we are saying is that it started 4 centuries ago but it continue until today.
Here are the years that GCs suffered from the Turks:
1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Comparatively, here are the years that TCs can claim that they also had suffered due to GC:
1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974
Now lets compare amount of casulaties:
During these years Greek Cypriots have suffered 10s of thousands (several 1000s of which in 1974) of casualties and 100s of thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in 1974.
Comparatively the TCs have lost, at max, 800 people.
Now lets compare living conditions and rights:
The population of Cyprus under the Ottomans during their 3 century rule instead of doubling as it would be the norm it had actually decreased. Those that survived the massacres and the bad living conditions, where forced to live as third category people. The Cypriots had to pay twice as much taxes compared to the Muslims that were imported from Asia (now called TCs), and their testimony in the courts was not even accepted. No need to say that we were allowed absolutely no say for the destiny of our island.
More recently with the Turkish invasion of 1974, the Turks didn't even allow us to exist in 1/3rd of our country, and the few 100s of GCs that remained enclaved had absolutely no say, and their human rights grossly violated. Soon after the Turks declared the occupied as a "Turkish Republic", totally ignoring the fact that that part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs.
In comparison, the TCs started the whole conflict in the 60s because GCs proposed to remove some racist discriminations and undemocratic provisions that were forced on us by the British in order to reward the TC minority for fighting on their side during our anti-colonial straggle. E.g. for the TC minority of 18% to have the 30% of government positions, or the TC minority to have veto powers.
So basically our "crime" was that we wanted to make Cyprus a normal democratic country like all the rest. TCs would still be equal citizens, with their full human rights and boosted representation in the government! Compare that with how they treated us when they ruled Cyprus, or how they treat now the GCs who have remained enclaved in the occupied areas.
Now the TCs having nothing else to say they exaggerate as much as they can their own, drop in the ocean (comparatively) suffering, in an effort to excuse yet more crimes against us. This is why they want to always talk about the past, but only for the past that suits them, not before, not after, and even during that decade they keep talking about they conveniently ignore their own responsibilities and their own crimes against us.
You need your head tested mate. I hope your administration has the same argument skills as you do in the Cypro No fucking wonder Turkey claims to be 10 steps ahead of you regarding the Cypro
LOOK OUT....MR.NUMBER CRUCHER IS GOING TO BLOW
I thought we had cured him of numbers but it seems to have got worse....What we need to do is ween him off slowly like they do with Heroin addicts....I'll give him some numbers and who ever talks to him next can take one off and so on until we cure him...I know I know...Once an addict always an addict but we can try!!!!!!
199181716545134341331517181991001--18171651554131215617710--1801797151641190987=19=1-1798171971669891695176411-18=1=11061987517664187610711-011=91119=018081186r1971-9=119=191-1-9719918581715699187-01810=10=10====
You don't think that is too much do you...He could overdose and do us all a favour....
MR-from-NG wrote:zan wrote:MR-from-NG wrote:Piratis wrote:It seem Eric and friends don't want to understand that what we are saying is that it started 4 centuries ago but it continue until today.
Here are the years that GCs suffered from the Turks:
1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Comparatively, here are the years that TCs can claim that they also had suffered due to GC:
1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974
Now lets compare amount of casulaties:
During these years Greek Cypriots have suffered 10s of thousands (several 1000s of which in 1974) of casualties and 100s of thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in 1974.
Comparatively the TCs have lost, at max, 800 people.
Now lets compare living conditions and rights:
The population of Cyprus under the Ottomans during their 3 century rule instead of doubling as it would be the norm it had actually decreased. Those that survived the massacres and the bad living conditions, where forced to live as third category people. The Cypriots had to pay twice as much taxes compared to the Muslims that were imported from Asia (now called TCs), and their testimony in the courts was not even accepted. No need to say that we were allowed absolutely no say for the destiny of our island.
More recently with the Turkish invasion of 1974, the Turks didn't even allow us to exist in 1/3rd of our country, and the few 100s of GCs that remained enclaved had absolutely no say, and their human rights grossly violated. Soon after the Turks declared the occupied as a "Turkish Republic", totally ignoring the fact that that part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs.
In comparison, the TCs started the whole conflict in the 60s because GCs proposed to remove some racist discriminations and undemocratic provisions that were forced on us by the British in order to reward the TC minority for fighting on their side during our anti-colonial straggle. E.g. for the TC minority of 18% to have the 30% of government positions, or the TC minority to have veto powers.
So basically our "crime" was that we wanted to make Cyprus a normal democratic country like all the rest. TCs would still be equal citizens, with their full human rights and boosted representation in the government! Compare that with how they treated us when they ruled Cyprus, or how they treat now the GCs who have remained enclaved in the occupied areas.
Now the TCs having nothing else to say they exaggerate as much as they can their own, drop in the ocean (comparatively) suffering, in an effort to excuse yet more crimes against us. This is why they want to always talk about the past, but only for the past that suits them, not before, not after, and even during that decade they keep talking about they conveniently ignore their own responsibilities and their own crimes against us.
You need your head tested mate. I hope your administration has the same argument skills as you do in the Cypro No fucking wonder Turkey claims to be 10 steps ahead of you regarding the Cypro
LOOK OUT....MR.NUMBER CRUCHER IS GOING TO BLOW
I thought we had cured him of numbers but it seems to have got worse....What we need to do is ween him off slowly like they do with Heroin addicts....I'll give him some numbers and who ever talks to him next can take one off and so on until we cure him...I know I know...Once an addict always an addict but we can try!!!!!!
199181716545134341331517181991001--18171651554131215617710--1801797151641190987=19=1-1798171971669891695176411-18=1=11061987517664187610711-011=91119=018081186r1971-9=119=191-1-9719918581715699187-01810=10=10====
You don't think that is too much do you...He could overdose and do us all a favour....
Zan, sorry mate but you are wasting your time. This man is beyond help. Anybody who can sit and type all the years between 1571 and 2007 has got to be certifiable. I wouldn't mind if it was relevant to the problem as we know it today.
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