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[Tim Drayton]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

They were utus words and not mine DT leader sir although there have been incidents.........I have said before that I live in the burbs and you seem to think that out here we have no contact with the world and with relatives and such.......What a loon you are.....AND.....What the hell do you know about Hackney...You live in Cyprus...

There have been incidents, OK, but how do we categorise these? In every society there are rude, inconsiderate people; there are pathological individuals who behave violently. If I go to a shop in Limassol and the shop assistant treats me rudely, is that just because that particular assistant is a rude individual, or was I suffering discrimination because I am a foreigner? It is so easy to jump to the latter conclusion. Violent assaults can take place in the streets anywhere - I remember once being chased along Kingsland High Street by 4-5 knife wielding youths who wished to mug me, and luckily I am a fast runner. Just because the perpetrator may come from one community and the victim from the other, one needs to be careful about automatically jumping to the conclusion that this has anything to do with intercommunal tension.

Only two weeks ago I was walking along Arasta Street just north of the line in Nicosia and was happy to hear just about all of the shoppers there speaking Greek among themsleves. There was not the least sign of fear or tension on their faces about being on the other side of the divide. Cyprus today is not the place it was even five years ago.

[zan]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

They were utus words and not mine DT leader sir although there have been incidents.........I have said before that I live in the burbs and you seem to think that out here we have no contact with the world and with relatives and such.......What a loon you are.....AND.....What the hell do you know about Hackney...You live in Cyprus...

There have been incidents, OK, but how do we categorise these? In every society there are rude, inconsiderate people; there are pathological individuals who behave violently. If I go to a shop in Limassol and the shop assistant treats me rudely, is that just because that particular assistant is a rude individual, or was I suffering discrimination because I am a foreigner? It is so easy to jump to the latter conclusion. Violent assaults can take place in the streets anywhere - I remember once being chased along Kingsland High Street by 4-5 knife wielding youths who wished to mug me, and luckily I am a fast runner. Just because the perpetrator may come from one community and the victim from the other, one needs to be careful about automatically jumping to the conclusion that this has anything to do with intercommunal tension.

Only two weeks ago I was walking along Arasta Street just north of the line in Nicosia and was happy to hear just about all of the shoppers there speaking Greek among themsleves. There was not the least sign of fear or tension on their faces about being on the other side of the divide. Cyprus today is not the place it was even five years ago.

Except when it happens in Turkey and this lot wet themselves trying to get their knives in.....Sad what is happening in Greece at the moment don't you think!!!Maybe they are Turks????

[Tim Drayton]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

I know. I once lived in Hackney myself.

You have my sympathy Tim . I lived there for ten years.

Don't tell me that you have made it to Palmers Green? That would just be too stereotypical.

[DT.]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

They were utus words and not mine DT leader sir although there have been incidents.........I have said before that I live in the burbs and you seem to think that out here we have no contact with the world and with relatives and such.......What a loon you are.....AND.....What the hell do you know about Hackney...You live in Cyprus...

Worked in Hackney for 4 years matey.

[CBBB]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

Now you have upset me!!!! Likening AglanGia to Hackney!!!!!

Aglangia is now one of the more expensive areas of Nicosia. Now if you had used Kaimakli or Palliouritissa......

[DT.]

[...] And yes, the fact that TC's visiting the RoCy are getting not exactly a warm reception at times doesn't seem to alleviate things. [...]

Can you back that statement up with some hard evidence? I travel to both parts of the island and see GC visitors to the north and TC visitors to the south being treated just fine.

Tim,

just because we live here in Cyprus, don't expect to know any better than these 2 about what goes on, on the ground. Zan lives in London for gods sake, probably in Hackney! Thats like living in Aglantzia.

Now you have upset me!!!! Likening AglanGia to Hackney!!!!!

Aglangia is now one of the more expensive areas of Nicosia. Now if you had used Kaimakli or Palliouritissa......

i knew that'd get you into the cyprob asap!

[utu]

Tim,

When the north commemorated their UDI's 25th anniversary, there were a number of media reports stating that a number Turkish Cypiot visitors to the RoCy were harrased and threatened by Greek Cypriot students. While the UDI anniversary may have been a major factor in these incidents, nontheless, Turkish Cypriots who visit the roCy have - on various media - state that they been made to feel unwelcome.

[rastan]

I have read many, many comments on this forum and am following with interest the Cyprus news. One statement "Cyprus today is not the same as Cyprus 5 years ago" springs to mind, actually I would add to that - Cyprus today is not the same as Cyprus 5 MONTHS ago!
Those who read my previous posts will know I spent 2 weeks in (if you're a Turkish Cypriot KKTC) (if you're a Greek Cypriot the illegally occupied area) in the past, if I had a stamp in my passport KKTC (which I do), and I attempted to travel to Greece or The Republic of Cyprus I would be arrested for illegally entering Cyprus but this is no longer the case, there is definately a softening of stance from BOTH sides of the divide.

It is a forgone conclusion that there will soon be a settlement to the Cyprus problem, Turkey is getting desperate to withdraw 30,000 troops from Cyprus (it's costing them a fortune that they can no longer afford) & Greece has a new and better relationship with Turkey, so they are also desperate to find a solution to the Cyprus problem....The biggest barrier is in peoples minds (just like when the Berlin wall came down) It's just a matter of time.

[CBBB]

Inshallah!

[zan]

I have read many, many comments on this forum and am following with interest the Cyprus news. One statement "Cyprus today is not the same as Cyprus 5 years ago" springs to mind, actually I would add to that - Cyprus today is not the same as Cyprus 5 MONTHS ago!
Those who read my previous posts will know I spent 2 weeks in (if you're a Turkish Cypriot KKTC) (if you're a Greek Cypriot the illegally occupied area) in the past, if I had a stamp in my passport KKTC (which I do), and I attempted to travel to Greece or The Republic of Cyprus I would be arrested for illegally entering Cyprus but this is no longer the case, there is definately a softening of stance from BOTH sides of the divide.

It is a forgone conclusion that there will soon be a settlement to the Cyprus problem, Turkey is getting desperate to withdraw 30,000 troops from Cyprus (it's costing them a fortune that they can no longer afford) & Greece has a new and better relationship with Turkey, so they are also desperate to find a solution to the Cyprus problem....The biggest barrier is in peoples minds (just like when the Berlin wall came down) It's just a matter of time.

A genuine question....Often wondered....How does an army sitting in one barracks cost more than sitting in another??????