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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:35 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


You get stuck in the numbers game Piratis we have discussed this to death, I thought we agreed that guilt or blame does not increase or decrease in ratio with the number of deaths or atrocities.

In that case stick around till we kill the same number of Turks that they have killed GCs and then we'll be on LEVEL PLAYING FIELD... that was your theory right?
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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:38 pm

Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


It's not a matter of numbers, it's why and what for they were killed and the reason for their murder was greed and ENOSIS.

You keep bringing up 400 year history to try and justify the murders of the
innocent Turkish Cypriots and always claim "WE have suffered", the difference between the "we" you use and "we" that I and other TCs use is that "we" suffered at your hands personally, but your "we" suffered nothing at the hands of the Ottoman. You obviously do not realise how silly
that makes you GCs look every time when one of you claims "we have suffered 400 years" and blah blah blah........I even doubt that most of you in this forum are old enough to have lived through 1974 let alone 1963.
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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


You get stuck in the numbers game Piratis we have discussed this to death, I thought we agreed that guilt or blame does not increase or decrease in ratio with the number of deaths or atrocities.

In that case stick around till we kill the same number of Turks that they have killed GCs and then we'll be on LEVEL PLAYING FIELD... that was your theory right?


Do you train in the same Gym as Kiefeas Git Real? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:42 pm

Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.



In 1960 an agreement was put into place with the signing of a constitution , and it was done with smiles and handshakes all around, that had put an end to all that killing that you are claiming. Little did we know that the smile on Makarios face had a sinister twist to it. Having read the Akritas Plan and waited for the right time he then put the plan into action in 1963. The plan is still in action today and the author in office as head of state. All your grievances of murders centuries ago had been put to rest and you decided to rekindle them...The chance we had of peace was lost due to your greed and murderous plans. The Ottomans lived in savage times....What is your excuse.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:48 pm

Eric dayi wrote:It's not a matter of numbers, it's why and what for they were killed and the reason for their murder was greed and ENOSIS.

Says the descendant of Anatolian pirates! :lol:

See if you can spot great-great grand-daddy in here Eric...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.


What a proud bloodline! :lol:
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Postby DT. » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:48 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


It's not a matter of numbers, it's why and what for they were killed and the reason for their murder was greed and ENOSIS.

You keep bringing up 400 year history to try and justify the murders of the
innocent Turkish Cypriots and always claim "WE have suffered", the difference between the "we" you use and "we" that I and other TCs use is that "we" suffered at your hands personally, but your "we" suffered nothing at the hands of the Ottoman. You obviously do not realise how silly
that makes you GCs look every time when one of you claims "we have suffered 400 years" and blah blah blah........I even doubt that most of you in this forum are old enough to have lived through 1974 let alone 1963.



:lol: Eric the brains has struck again

You claim "YOU" suffered personally in 63 yet we haven't in 74. You then claim that we're probably not old enough to have been around in 74 which makes me think your "personal"tragedy in 63 by pure mathematics is improbable.

If the majority of us weren't around in 74 then what does that tell us about you being around for 63 and having suffered personally!

Go Away Eric, you're hurting your cause :lol:

BTW Who were the funny little guys holding the US automatics in 74....the Ottomans?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


You get stuck in the numbers game Piratis we have discussed this to death, I thought we agreed that guilt or blame does not increase or decrease in ratio with the number of deaths or atrocities.

In that case stick around till we kill the same number of Turks that they have killed GCs and then we'll be on LEVEL PLAYING FIELD... that was your theory right?


If thats what you think will make things better than you can try but I doubt very much if it would have the desired effect as the circle of death will continue.
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Postby zan » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:It's not a matter of numbers, it's why and what for they were killed and the reason for their murder was greed and ENOSIS.

Says the descendant of Anatolian pirates! :lol:

See if you can spot great-great grand-daddy in here Eric...

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.


What a proud bloodline! :lol:


And I thought that the Jews were the chosen people.....Greeks......Nah! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:08 pm

DT. wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Since the Turks first invaded our island they have been killing GCs by the 10000s, and violating our rights for the 340 out of the 436 years they exist on this island, including the last 33+ years where they killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

And then they try to present themselves as the victims because they lost, according to them, 800 people over a past decade, even if in that same decade they have also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots!

I wonder Eric, if 800 people are "Kill all TCs" then what do you call the 10s of thousands of GCs you have butchered?

The fact is my friend that in Cyprus you have always been the aggressors, and you are now trying to magnify by a factor of 100 that comparatively insignificant losses that you had for one reason: To find an excuse for yet more aggression and crimes against us.


It's not a matter of numbers, it's why and what for they were killed and the reason for their murder was greed and ENOSIS.

You keep bringing up 400 year history to try and justify the murders of the
innocent Turkish Cypriots and always claim "WE have suffered", the difference between the "we" you use and "we" that I and other TCs use is that "we" suffered at your hands personally, but your "we" suffered nothing at the hands of the Ottoman. You obviously do not realise how silly
that makes you GCs look every time when one of you claims "we have suffered 400 years" and blah blah blah........I even doubt that most of you in this forum are old enough to have lived through 1974 let alone 1963.



:lol: Eric the brains has struck again

You claim "YOU" suffered personally in 63 yet we haven't in 74. You then claim that we're probably not old enough to have been around in 74 which makes me think your "personal"tragedy in 63 by pure mathematics is improbable.

If the majority of us weren't around in 74 then what does that tell us about you being around for 63 and having suffered personally!

Go Away Eric, you're hurting your cause :lol:

BTW Who were the funny little guys holding the US automatics in 74....the Ottomans?


Judging by your (GCS) never ending whinging, whining and crocodile tears by the buckets full, you were all personally there in 1571 and have been suffering even since which makes you personally a very, very, very old Git Retard. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Those holding the automatics in 1974 were Turks and Turkish Cypriots who put an end to your (GCs) "Kill all Turks for ENOSIS" party. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:36 pm

It seem Eric and friends don't want to understand that what we are saying is that it started 4 centuries ago but it continue until today.

Here are the years that GCs suffered from the Turks:

1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

Comparatively, here are the years that TCs can claim that they also had suffered due to GC:

1957 1958 1959 1960 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1974

Now lets compare amount of casulaties:

During these years Greek Cypriots have suffered 10s of thousands (several 1000s of which in 1974) of casualties and 100s of thousands of people being ethnically cleansed in 1974.

Comparatively the TCs have lost, at max, 800 people.

Now lets compare living conditions and rights:

The population of Cyprus under the Ottomans during their 3 century rule instead of doubling as it would be the norm it had actually decreased. Those that survived the massacres and the bad living conditions, where forced to live as third category people. The Cypriots had to pay twice as much taxes compared to the Muslims that were imported from Asia (now called TCs), and their testimony in the courts was not even accepted. No need to say that we were allowed absolutely no say for the destiny of our island.

More recently with the Turkish invasion of 1974, the Turks didn't even allow us to exist in 1/3rd of our country, and the few 100s of GCs that remained enclaved had absolutely no say, and their human rights grossly violated. Soon after the Turks declared the occupied as a "Turkish Republic", totally ignoring the fact that that part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs.

In comparison, the TCs started the whole conflict in the 60s because GCs proposed to remove some racist discriminations and undemocratic provisions that were forced on us by the British in order to reward the TC minority for fighting on their side during our anti-colonial straggle. E.g. for the TC minority of 18% to have the 30% of government positions, or the TC minority to have veto powers.

So basically our "crime" was that we wanted to make Cyprus a normal democratic country like all the rest. TCs would still be equal citizens, with their full human rights and boosted representation in the government! Compare that with how they treated us when they ruled Cyprus, or how they treat now the GCs who have remained enclaved in the occupied areas.

Now the TCs having nothing else to say they exaggerate as much as they can their own, drop in the ocean (comparatively) suffering, in an effort to excuse yet more crimes against us. This is why they want to always talk about the past, but only for the past that suits them, not before, not after, and even during that decade they keep talking about they conveniently ignore their own responsibilities and their own crimes against us.
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