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[phoenix]

no you did not...stop trying to justify the ridiculous...

You picked on Phoenix the only way you could personally hurt her...The worst insult you could ever lash out on a woman...

How does that make you feel big man?

Not being sexist means you treat the two sex's the same way....The remarks and insults she has used since day one have been met with the same venom she displayed...Not being sexist I have no reason to regret because I would do the same to all that behaved that way. Of course now she is playing the hurt female card and being male it is having an effect. I should ignore that and treat her as I would any person and I would have hoped she would have appreciated the respect and kudos that gives her. But the witch hunt is now on and she is pointing the finger and shouting assassin...

Pheonix
If you would rather be treated like a woman as in the sexist sense then please say so because I can do that...A few "Yes dears" and a couple of "No dears" a little pat on the bottom and we are done???

You hypocrite Zan.


I have defended every accusation I have had time to do. I could answer every single stupid post that has gone on . . . but unlike you I only get to snippets from my day to peruse and post . . . in between doing a number of other things.

You accuse me of playing the hurt female . . . which I have not done, nor am I BTW . . . I am just annoyed that stupid MR-from-NG has sabotaged a debate I was enjoying on the thread he stole this from!

Considering you have acted like the PATHETIC hurt 3 year old with NEEDING everyone to give him attention and help him sort his depression out and come to terms with his memories. . . . GIVE IT A REST YOU SADDO!

Please do not put yourself out to treat me in any way different than as a virtual character that is here to attack your propaganda and remind people there are is a history that is being eroded by the Turks and their agents and I will not see it go down without a fight.

For all I know you are female, or a homosexual or black or uneducated . . . BUT GET IT INTO YOUR THICK SKULLS . . . I don't give a monkeys . . . I go by what people say and not who I IMAGINE they are . . . and I stand by what I said . . .

I TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME . . . I am only concerned with what is being said.

This is what happens when you enter a thread and expect to know the outcome of the responses.....You are disappointed and angry and sound very much like GR when you are mad.....It is your propaganda that you should scrutinise because it has given you these preconceived notions of who and what we are. If you really came here to find solace in the TCs giving into your every whim then perhaps you should not have made an entry with a target on your back. The "bloody Turk" comment being the most repeated. Your agenda was clear from the start and now you want us to believe that you are just treating people like they deserve to be treated....Give me a break will you...Your persona as Chimera was set in stone and followed you through to Phoenix the destroyer....Cut the bullshit and get off your high horse...We can all see it is really a Shetland pony and a stuffed one to boot. If you want us to believe that you treat people fairly then tell yourself o shut the F**K up and stop being so condescending.

CANNOT TAKE THE TRUTH, hey ZAN?
Do you think you can out talk everyone to silence them with your incessant threats and insults?
It was not solace I was after but healthy debate to see the bigger picture.
However all that comes out (apart from 2 or 3 TCs) is a barrage of propaganda and re-hushed history.
Unlike you I speak clearly, that's why I am easy to criticise. I don't cloud issues with sob stories . . . you are an embarrassment to those that did suffer.

You are the one that claims the most outrageous lie of all . . . that TCs are the indigenous people of Cyprus. Where did that come from, how can it be?

You have your set agenda. To rub out the truth and replace it with your brand of lies.

Well Zan as far as I am concerned you and your friends are
AGENTS OF TURKEY and nothing more!

[zan]

no you did not...stop trying to justify the ridiculous...

You picked on Phoenix the only way you could personally hurt her...The worst insult you could ever lash out on a woman...

How does that make you feel big man?

Not being sexist means you treat the two sex's the same way....The remarks and insults she has used since day one have been met with the same venom she displayed...Not being sexist I have no reason to regret because I would do the same to all that behaved that way. Of course now she is playing the hurt female card and being male it is having an effect. I should ignore that and treat her as I would any person and I would have hoped she would have appreciated the respect and kudos that gives her. But the witch hunt is now on and she is pointing the finger and shouting assassin...

Pheonix
If you would rather be treated like a woman as in the sexist sense then please say so because I can do that...A few "Yes dears" and a couple of "No dears" a little pat on the bottom and we are done???

You hypocrite Zan.


I have defended every accusation I have had time to do. I could answer every single stupid post that has gone on . . . but unlike you I only get to snippets from my day to peruse and post . . . in between doing a number of other things.

You accuse me of playing the hurt female . . . which I have not done, nor am I BTW . . . I am just annoyed that stupid MR-from-NG has sabotaged a debate I was enjoying on the thread he stole this from!

Considering you have acted like the PATHETIC hurt 3 year old with NEEDING everyone to give him attention and help him sort his depression out and come to terms with his memories. . . . GIVE IT A REST YOU SADDO!

Please do not put yourself out to treat me in any way different than as a virtual character that is here to attack your propaganda and remind people there are is a history that is being eroded by the Turks and their agents and I will not see it go down without a fight.

For all I know you are female, or a homosexual or black or uneducated . . . BUT GET IT INTO YOUR THICK SKULLS . . . I don't give a monkeys . . . I go by what people say and not who I IMAGINE they are . . . and I stand by what I said . . .

I TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME . . . I am only concerned with what is being said.

This is what happens when you enter a thread and expect to know the outcome of the responses.....You are disappointed and angry and sound very much like GR when you are mad.....It is your propaganda that you should scrutinise because it has given you these preconceived notions of who and what we are. If you really came here to find solace in the TCs giving into your every whim then perhaps you should not have made an entry with a target on your back. The "bloody Turk" comment being the most repeated. Your agenda was clear from the start and now you want us to believe that you are just treating people like they deserve to be treated....Give me a break will you...Your persona as Chimera was set in stone and followed you through to Phoenix the destroyer....Cut the bullshit and get off your high horse...We can all see it is really a Shetland pony and a stuffed one to boot. If you want us to believe that you treat people fairly then tell yourself o shut the F**K up and stop being so condescending.

CANNOT TAKE THE TRUTH, hey ZAN?
Do you think you can out talk everyone to silence them with your incessant threats and insults?
It was not solace I was after but healthy debate to see the bigger picture.
However all that comes out (apart from 2 or 3 TCs) is a barrage of propaganda and re-hushed history.
Unlike you I speak clearly, that's why I am easy to criticise. I don't cloud issues with sob stories . . . you are an embarrassment to those that did suffer.

You are the one that claims the most outrageous lie of all . . . that TCs are the indigenous people of Cyprus. Where did that come from, how can it be?

You have your set agenda. To rub out the truth and replace it with your brand of lies.

Well Zan as far as I am concerned you and your friends are
AGENTS OF TURKEY and nothing more!

And you of Greece dear......


Show me a threat that I have ever made......I fight with words and words only.....You being brainwashed into thinking like the propaganda machine that the "RoC" is giving out does not make mine lies.....The world is waking up to lies and you are on the receiving end of their wrath.


As for you brandishing the word "Indigenous" as if it means something to a person whose ancestors have lived on the island for 400 years is just like water off a ducks back to me and mine.....You think by setting the bar at the height you presume to be Cypriot and that includes that we have to fall in line with what you want us to think, is going to deter us from what is rightfully ours then think again sunshine. Think Greek and be Greek is your motto and we don't fit in so we are not Cypriot.....George Bush tried that one with "If your not with us then you are against us" . He was ridiculed and you too are ridiculous.

[shahmaran]

Oh please not this "indigenous" crap again!

Apart from it being absolutely unfounded, there could be no other argument that would keep us as far from an agreement as this one.

Phoenix you are not half as biased or "open for discussion" as you think you are or like to be thought of as.

In fact, the nature of your arguments come across to be much more separatist then most of the "partitionists" here!

[EPSILON]

To Zan and the others including some Gcs.

Ottoman empire in its effort to keep occupied areas , not an own country, had the right to fight , to kill , to do even a genocide or if you do not agree on the word to kill 1.5million civilians. All this just to keep a foreign territory.

Had Gcs killed Tcs during 1963-1967? Yes of course . How many? Personally i do not have any number.

Had Tcs killed Gcs during the same period? Yes of course. how many i do not know also.

Lets go to the reason, to the why? Were the Greeks of Cyprus the majority in the Island? Did they have the right , as all other Nations, for a free decision about their destiny? If someone say no then to explain us his position.

Had Turkey signed and accepted NO INTEREST about Cyprus when the control transfered to British?

The Greeks of Cyprus after centuries of occupation and no freedom, decided in 50's that they want union with Greece. Wrong position on today's circumstances but history must be considered on the basis of time it happens. Then, in 50's is anybody here who can say that even one G/Cypriot was thinking or declaring that he was a simple Cypriot or even a Greek Cypriot or all of them were feeling/believing that they were simple GREEKS UNDER OCCUPATION?

Then a minority (Tcs) by the guides of British and later by Turkey started to fight the Greeks willigness for union.


In such a case , had the Greeks the right to fight for their future as same was decided by them?

Now we are speaking about Cyprionism and for a united nation with Tcs. Is this a clear victory of the minority or not? Is this the colapse of a nation's dreams or not?

Are the Tcs responsible alone? No of course not. Our leadership is much more responsible than them.

Do we have to go back to union dream? No , of course not. Even our own people are not willing to do so, including me.(Me for different reasons i believe).

Do we have to sign an agreement ? if yes with whom? With the invasion forces or with Tcs? Can the Tcs sign an agreement themselves without the approval of the invasion forces? Not of course not.Therefore any agreement lead us to a cooperation and co-control of the Island with the invasion forces.

Then what? If we had the military power the solution should be only one - to free our country from the foreigners. We do not have this power and it seems this will be the case for the next 1000years.-at least-

Then what? ANY SUGGESTIONS? I HAVE ONE BUT I KEEP IT FOR A LATER STAGE

[Pyrpolizer]

What a simplistic approach. We don't have to sign anything that will sell our country away man.

Turkey is nothing without the support of the USA. Within 10 years her military machine will be scrap metal if the US decide to.They did exactly the same to Iraq. You base all your argumentation that everything is static. It is not....

[phoenix]

Oh please not this "indigenous" crap again!

Apart from it being absolutely unfounded, there could be no other argument that would keep us as far from an agreement as this one.

Phoenix you are not half as biased or "open for discussion" as you think you are or like to be thought of as.

In fact, the nature of your arguments come across to be much more separatist then most of the "partitionists" here!

You are full of pre-formed ideas aren't you shahmaran!

Have a closer look, the only one who mentioned "indigenous" in this thread is Zan!

The poor misguided fool thinks the TCs are the Indigenous people of Cyprus!

[shahmaran]

Well you seem to think that the GCs are as well!

My ideas are not THAT preformed, i know nothing about you, im sure you are very sweet really but judging by your posts here thats the idea i have got so far.

[zan]

Oh please not this "indigenous" crap again!

Apart from it being absolutely unfounded, there could be no other argument that would keep us as far from an agreement as this one.

Phoenix you are not half as biased or "open for discussion" as you think you are or like to be thought of as.

In fact, the nature of your arguments come across to be much more separatist then most of the "partitionists" here!

You are full of pre-formed ideas aren't you shahmaran!

Have a closer look, the only one who mentioned "indigenous" in this thread is Zan!

The poor misguided fool thinks the TCs are the Indigenous people of Cyprus!

I bet you 37% of the island that we are...........

It's about time you came out of your shell and show the world the real face of the TPap administration...I cannot thank you enough.

[oranos64]

To Zan and the others including some Gcs.

Ottoman empire in its effort to keep occupied areas , not an own country, had the right to fight , to kill , to do even a genocide or if you do not agree on the word to kill 1.5million civilians. All this just to keep a foreign territory.

Had Gcs killed Tcs during 1963-1967? Yes of course . How many? Personally i do not have any number.

Had Tcs killed Gcs during the same period? Yes of course. how many i do not know also.

Lets go to the reason, to the why? Were the Greeks of Cyprus the majority in the Island? Did they have the right , as all other Nations, for a free decision about their destiny? If someone say no then to explain us his position.

Had Turkey signed and accepted NO INTEREST about Cyprus when the control transfered to British?

The Greeks of Cyprus after centuries of occupation and no freedom, decided in 50's that they want union with Greece. Wrong position on today's circumstances but history must be considered on the basis of time it happens. Then, in 50's is anybody here who can say that even one G/Cypriot was thinking or declaring that he was a simple Cypriot or even a Greek Cypriot or all of them were feeling/believing that they were simple GREEKS UNDER OCCUPATION?

Then a minority (Tcs) by the guides of British and later by Turkey started to fight the Greeks willigness for union.


In such a case , had the Greeks the right to fight for their future as same was decided by them?

Now we are speaking about Cyprionism and for a united nation with Tcs. Is this a clear victory of the minority or not? Is this the colapse of a nation's dreams or not?

Are the Tcs responsible alone? No of course not. Our leadership is much more responsible than them.

Do we have to go back to union dream? No , of course not. Even our own people are not willing to do so, including me.(Me for different reasons i believe).

Do we have to sign an agreement ? if yes with whom? With the invasion forces or with Tcs? Can the Tcs sign an agreement themselves without the approval of the invasion forces? Not of course not.Therefore any agreement lead us to a cooperation and co-control of the Island with the invasion forces.

Then what? If we had the military power the solution should be only one - to free our country from the foreigners. We do not have this power and it seems this will be the case for the next 1000years.-at least-

Then what? ANY SUGGESTIONS? I HAVE ONE BUT I KEEP IT FOR A LATER STAGE

well said mate ...were have you been ?

[zan]

What a simplistic approach. We don't have to sign anything that will sell our country away man.

Turkey is nothing without the support of the USA. Within 10 years her military machine will be scrap metal if the US decide to.They did exactly the same to Iraq. You base all your argumentation that everything is static. It is not....

I remember a time when they were your best pals.....Nothing much happened then either......