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[phoenix]

Yah a solution my arse! How many solutions have you refused so far? I have lost count myself to be honest, and could i please see this "invitation" that the Turks apparently need that GC seem to be holding for suddenly appearing in Cyprus

I am glad you have finally reveled yourself as the racist PoS you really are, after all that scientific jargon, you have finally found yourself a place amongst people like Kifeas and Piratis and so forth, thank you for clearing up this uncertainty.

I have precisely stated it is NOT YOUR solutions we need . . . but our OWN solution. You offer us only what suits Turkey.

You are part of the problem NOT the solution as far as I can tell!

BTW there is nothing racist about what I say, you are the enemy of my country and I don't care how similar or different you are to me. If you were GC and did what you did do to Cyprus, I would feel the same way towards you.

And don't affiliate me with Piratis and Kifeas; they are gentlemen in what they say and a credit to Cyprus.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

Re your comment about archives. There have been quite a few investigative reports by Greek mainland media into the events of Cyprus. One of the reasons for the investigatins being that the Greek government has refused to recognise those that died in 1974 as having fallen in conflict, so their kin get no pensions and the wounded no medical coverage.

In these reports there have been face to face interviews with soldiers and officers about events in 1974. There is no doubt that units of ELDYK fought. As there is not doubt about the General Staff being in disarray about developments and not believing reports coming from the feild commanders. The two are not conflicting.

To this day the commander of the National Guard, Brigadier Georgitsis, has not spoken publicly and the chief of the junta Ioannidis has refused to speak about 1974. The general conclusion a reasonable person comes to is that the Greeks thought that they had a deal going and the Turkish forces would keep to it. The deal being double union of sorts. Eye wintesses speak of Ioannidis furiously storming out of General HQ shouting "the swine betrayed me...." referring to Americans.

Friends who volunteered and got on a ship to get to Cyprus were stopped by American ships south of Rodos and forced to turn back. One crazy army officer had the notion to put recoiless guns on the side of the ship and try to sink one of the American boats. A notion he abandoned when the other four ships in the convoy turned on their searchlights and he realised he was outnumbered and outgunned.

[halil]

Andros, good selection of stimulating ideas so far! I am not as tolerant as you appear to be so ignore if this offends but I have to vent. It is purely my opinion, does not represent other Cypriots, and I am willing to change my mind if evidence is presented to ameliorate it (so far none seen).

IMHO Turkey is afforded way too much credence. Our future should not be in the hands of a backward nation which doesn't know itself if it is Muslim or secular, Asian or European, civilized and democratic or simply a gaggle of genocidal fascists.

We lack confidence, weighed down by our strong sense of doing the right thing by all and ditheringly absolve the resolution of our problem to someone else. WE (Cypriots with our President) need to decide what's best for Cyprus! It is the duty of the RoC (but as part of EU) to formulate the plan to restore and rightfully re-unify our island. We must take the initiative to tell Turkey hands off, get lost, take your frigging army and settlers with you and never darken our shores again.

We didn't invite the Turks and we do not need their opinion. If any TCs decide they cannot live with the Cypriots then they are free to follow their protectors . . . same argument goes for them too, since they were not invited to start with. So enough of whingeing from TCs that the place they invaded as Ottomans is no longer suitable for them under modern democratic rules.

Why should even one Cypriot suffer let alone 200,000 (at least), just to please Turkey and its malingerers?

Puerile! . . . why do you bother Halil?

This is precisely why the Cyprus Problem is stalling . . . The Cypriots are plodding along trying to find a solution and this is the kind of input we get from the other side! Unworthy!

Phoenix;
if u want to find solution u must talk with TC's. Not with Turkey.
Your president should speak with our president not with Turkey.
That's way i do bother.
to find excuses does not help.
we The Turkish Cypriots are going to live in this island with you . Not Turks from Turkey or EU or others.

[shahmaran]

Yah a solution my arse! How many solutions have you refused so far? I have lost count myself to be honest, and could i please see this "invitation" that the Turks apparently need that GC seem to be holding for suddenly appearing in Cyprus

I am glad you have finally reveled yourself as the racist PoS you really are, after all that scientific jargon, you have finally found yourself a place amongst people like Kifeas and Piratis and so forth, thank you for clearing up this uncertainty.

I have precisely stated it is NOT YOUR solutions we need . . . but our OWN solution. You offer us only what suits Turkey.

You are part of the problem NOT the solution as far as I can tell!

BTW there is nothing racist about what I say, you are the enemy of my country and I don't care how similar or different you are to me. If you were GC and did what you did do to Cyprus, I would feel the same way towards you.

And don't affiliate me with Piratis and Kifeas; they are gentlemen in what they say and a credit to Cyprus.

I believe the last solution YOU refused was the solution of the UN not Turkey, we have already shown that we wanted peace, what exactly have you done that gives you the audacity to call us the problem? Please do not forget the doings of the GC's as well!

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Re your comment about archives. There have been quite a few investigative reports by Greek mainland media into the events of Cyprus. One of the reasons for the investigatins being that the Greek government has refused to recognise those that died in 1974 as having fallen in conflict, so their kin get no pensions and the wounded no medical coverage.

In these reports there have been face to face interviews with soldiers and officers about events in 1974. There is no doubt that units of ELDYK fought. As there is not doubt about the General Staff being in disarray about developments and not believing reports coming from the feild commanders. The two are not conflicting.

To this day the commander of the National Guard, Brigadier Georgitsis, has not spoken publicly and the chief of the junta Ioannidis has refused to speak about 1974. The general conclusion a reasonable person comes to is that the Greeks thought that they had a deal going and the Turkish forces would keep to it. The deal being double union of sorts. Eye wintesses speak of Ioannidis furiously storming out of General HQ shouting "the swine betrayed me...." referring to Americans.

Friends who volunteered and got on a ship to get to Cyprus were stopped by American ships south of Rodos and forced to turn back. One crazy army officer had the notion to put recoiless guns on the side of the ship and try to sink one of the American boats. A notion he abandoned when the other four ships in the convoy turned on their searchlights and he realised he was outnumbered and outgunned.

I is indeed these types of archives - if they exist - which would be interesting. But, hey from what you say will never be produced in my life time.

[utu]

RoC or TRNC? There was another choice: UCR. However, that got shot down. Cyprus' location in the Mediterranian is her problem, but unfortunately, one can't tow an island to another location. Doesn't leave much in the way of alternative choices, does it?