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[cymart]

No not the weather or the food,or the women of course, but something far more serious:
Neither country has come to terms with its past history and it is an unfortunate fact such countries have a habit of repeating past mistakes as well!
Russia went from so-called Communism to a disastrous mixture of croney capitalism and the appearance of democracy and is now well on the way back to authoritarianism again with a capitalist style of economy run by former KGB bureaucrats.Because of the chaos during the Yeltsin era,many Russians associate democracy with this and do not seem aware yet of what the end of it implies!The media is virtually all state controlled and regularly spins lies and distortion about anything the Government decides....
In Cyprus, distortion of reporting concerning events, especially political developments is common on the state run media and this has become quite frequent in the last few years where failures are often presented as successes etc.
Whether people accept what they see and hear as being the truth or not or are just indifferent, this is not a healthy situation in what is supposed to be a modern society and a member of the E.U.Allowing criticism is an essential part of the democratic process and there is far too little open public debate and reporting here on many social and moral issues which affect society in general.Corruption, from the highest levels of the establishment downwards is a known secret but many cases are brushed-over and seem to be publicly tolerated.
In Russia of course, the situation is far worse than in Cyprus and even Gorbachov has just formed a new political reform movement there which is targeting corruption as one of the most serious problems in his country which prevents the development of a fair and democratic society.
I lived for some time in Russia quite recently and experienced the situation there first hand-it is definitely not an example for Cyprus to admire or follow and I have written before that there is already far too much Russian involvement with this island!

[Bananiot]

"Anyone practicing corruption will face my revengeful rage" so said Papadopoulos some 4 years ago. Perhaps he can start with his son Nicholas ...

Cymart, what do you mean by "the present leadership"? Do you mean the government or Cypriot politicians at large?

[Piratis]

Cymart, Cyprus is among the most democratic countries in the world, with a very direct democratic system "apli analogiki" which is very fair to everybody. If half of the people that came to your wedding vote for your party you can get a seat in the parliament and then be invited to every TV and radio political program.

What we have in Cyprus is by far better than what they have in countries like the UK and USA (for example) where the lower classes of people are living in ghettos and they don't even bother to vote anymore, while the country is actually ruled in turn by 2 parties which in fact are exactly the same and both funded by the same big capitalists. (who in turn take all those poor people to be killed in places like Iraq and Afghanistan so the capitalists can secure their oil.)

As far as "too much Russian involvement with this island", where did you see it??? It is not the Russians who kept us like slaves, and then gave half of our country to the Turks so they could more easily keep two huge bases and their Echelons in Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

No not the weather or the food,or the women of course, but something far more serious:
Neither country has come to terms with its past history and it is an unfortunate fact such countries have a habit of repeating past mistakes as well!
Russia went from so-called Communism to a disastrous mixture of croney capitalism and the appearance of democracy and is now well on the way back to authoritarianism again with a capitalist style of economy run by former KGB bureaucrats.Because of the chaos during the Yeltsin era,many Russians associate democracy with this and do not seem aware yet of what the end of it implies!The media is virtually all state controlled and regularly spins lies and distortion about anything the Government decides....
In Cyprus, distortion of reporting concerning events, especially political developments is common on the state run media and this has become quite frequent in the last few years where failures are often presented as successes etc.
Whether people accept what they see and hear as being the truth or not or are just indifferent, this is not a healthy situation in what is supposed to be a modern society and a member of the E.U.Allowing criticism is an essential part of the democratic process and there is far too little open public debate and reporting here on many social and moral issues which affect society in general.Corruption, from the highest levels of the establishment downwards is a known secret but many cases are brushed-over and seem to be publicly tolerated.
In Russia of course, the situation is far worse than in Cyprus and even Gorbachov has just formed a new political reform movement there which is targeting corruption as one of the most serious problems in his country which prevents the development of a fair and democratic society.
I lived for some time in Russia quite recently and experienced the situation there first hand-it is definitely not an example for Cyprus to admire or follow and I have written before that there is already far too much Russian involvement with this island!

Look who is talking!!! One of the 50 million British lambs who digested tons of lies by their own government and went on war against Iraq to clear it from non existent WMD

As for what the wife of their own Prime Minister chose to do to earn some bucks...

[Bananiot]

Cyprus is very democratic indeed! Anyone who has something different to say from the President and his fascist supporters is readily branded as a traitor and a paid agent of the enemy. What a joke!

[zan]

Cymart, Cyprus is among the most democratic countries in the world, with a very direct democratic system "apli analogiki" which is very fair to everybody. If half of the people that came to your wedding vote for your party you can get a seat in the parliament and then be invited to every TV and radio political program.

What we have in Cyprus is by far better than what they have in countries like the UK and USA (for example) where the lower classes of people are living in ghettos and they don't even bother to vote anymore, while the country is actually ruled in turn by 2 parties which in fact are exactly the same and both funded by the same big capitalists. (who in turn take all those poor people to be killed in places like Iraq and Afghanistan so the capitalists can secure their oil.)

As far as "too much Russian involvement with this island", where did you see it??? It is not the Russians who kept us like slaves, and then gave half of our country to the Turks so they could more easily keep two huge bases and their Echelons in Cyprus.

And still TPap gets voted in and is allowed to give contracts to his son and jobs for the boys........There must be a hole somewhere

[Piratis]

Cyprus is very democratic indeed! Anyone who has something different to say from the President and his fascist supporters is readily branded as a traitor and a paid agent of the enemy. What a joke!

Did anybody jail you for committing treason Bananiot?

Or maybe you are allowed to say that we should dissolve our state and sell off 1/3rd of our country to the Turks but we are not allowed to say our opinion?

No my friend, in this democratic country you are free to say your opinion and we are also free to say ours. Thats what democracy means.

So if our opinion is that your acts are treasonous then why shouldn't we be allowed to express our view?

Sorry but you are ridiculous. Like when some Bishop says something which is against your beliefs you all come out and say that Bishops should not get involved in politics and all that. And then when some other Bishop comes and publicly supports the same thing that you support, you immidietly come to congratulate him.

So basically in your version of "democracy" only those that agree with you should talk

[MR-from-NG]

Cyprus is very democratic indeed! Anyone who has something different to say from the President and his fascist supporters is readily branded as a traitor and a paid agent of the enemy. What a joke!

Did anybody jail you for committing treason Bananiot?

Or maybe you are allowed to say that we should dissolve our state and sell off 1/3rd of our country to the Turks but we are not allowed to say our opinion?

No my friend, in this democratic country you are free to say your opinion and we are also free to say ours. Thats what democracy means.

So if our opinion is that your acts are treasonous then why shouldn't we be allowed to express our view?

Sorry but you are ridiculous. Like when some Bishop says something which is against your beliefs you all come out and say that Bishops should not get involved in politics and all that. And then when some other Bishop comes and publicly supports the same thing that you support, you immidietly come to congratulate him.

So basically in your version of "democracy" only those that agree with you should talk

Congratulations Piratis,

this is probably the only sensible post from you. One thing though, you are not describing Bananiot, this is a perfect description of yourself, Kifeas and sotos.

BANANIOT FOR PRESIDENT.

[Piratis]

Why MR-from-ng? When did I support that the system should change so that those that disagree with me should be silenced?

On the contrary I support the democratic system we have today where everybody has a voice and everybody is allowed to say whatever he wants.

The government gets the worst kind of verbal abuse from its opponents, and they complain because we reply to them in kind some times?

[zan]

Why MR-from-ng? When did I support that the system should change so that those that disagree with me should be silenced?

On the contrary I support the democratic system we have today where everybody has a voice and everybody is allowed to say whatever he wants.

The government gets the worst kind of verbal abuse from its opponents, and they complain because we reply to them in kind some times?

Is that a Freudian slip?????? Is it confession time Piratis.....