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[miltiades]

I only asked a simple question and yes i did receive some good replies and i have learnt a lot from the genuine people that replied, on the other hand the rest of the moaning barstewards keep it shut lol

I'm coming to Cyprus on the 31st October and will try find the butchers that sell THE HALAL MEAT if not ill ask again.

THANKS ONCE AGAIN

JAM

my mobile number is 07786033640 if any local people want to have a drink etc

I think you should try some of the Bengali and Bangladeshi Halal butchers in London , they are spotlessly clean really take good hygiene seriously , just as they do back home !!

[cymart]

Denizaksalu if you go to the Dhekelia veterinary office they will probably let you see the report and you can also buy both the others I wrote about that were written by the Farm Animal welfare council in England from H.M.S.O. bookshop or maybe try the British Council library in Nicosia but remember they made these reports in the 1980's.

[denizaksulu]

Denizaksalu if you go to the Dhekelia veterinary office they will probably let you see the report and you can also buy both the others I wrote about that were written by the Farm Animal welfare council in England from H.M.S.O. bookshop or maybe try the British Council library in Nicosia but remember they made these reports in the 1980's.

Your inclusion of four question marks suggested you had no idea. If indeed Dhekelia Vet Office has paid a visit to the North, and you did know about it at the time, why the ????. Are you making any allegations? Please let me know, as I said with the proof in our hands we can begin to jump up and down together.

[denizaksulu]

Denizaksalu if you go to the Dhekelia veterinary office they will probably let you see the report and you can also buy both the others I wrote about that were written by the Farm Animal welfare council in England from H.M.S.O. bookshop or maybe try the British Council library in Nicosia but remember they made these reports in the 1980's.

Your inclusion of four question marks suggested you had no idea. If indeed Dhekelia Vet Office has paid a visit to the North, and you did know about it at the time, why the ????. Are you making any allegations? Please let me know, as I said with the proof in our hands we can begin to jump up and down together.

27 years ago. History can be re-written in that time.

[cymart]

As you are in London you can easily ask at HMSO if they still have these in stock.
If you are Turkish Cypriot from Anglisidhes and had relatives that Akritas and EOKA B attacked and killed then I'm truly sorry.You probably know that some remains have been excavated in Alaminos and were recently buried at a ceremony in the north.

[denizaksulu]

As you are in London you can easily ask at HMSO if they still have these in stock.
If you are Turkish Cypriot from Anglisidhes and had relatives that Akritas and EOKA B attacked and killed then I'm truly sorry.You probably know that some remains have been excavated in Alaminos and were recently buried at a ceremony in the north.

Thanks Cymart. Though I knew Alaminiotes, I have been lucky enough not to have any close relatives killed, I am sorry for all innocent Cyprioots who have been killed.

As to 27 year old reports, they would only be valid 27 years ago. Whatever the reports say, I am sure their will be constant imrovements in animal farming and abbatoirs etc. As to proper treatment of animals for food I am for evry legislation which will improve heir welfare.

Regards

[oranos64]

Phoenix

Can you mention just one primitive tribe that exists on an exclusively plant diet? My studies show that primitive tribes living exclusively from gathering still use animal derived proteins. They are the closest example we have of a totally natural way of life. Just a quick rundown- Pygmies, Bushmen, Amazon tribes, Pacific Islanders, Papua New Guinea people, Australian Aborigines, all the north American Indians, Eskimos and there must be more.

Referring to the Eskimo and Inuit, if their gut could not process their almost exclusively meat and fish diet they would not have survived as they did. It was only when the white man reached them and they started on plant derived carbohydrates that they discovered diabetes. You should also read up on the Paleo Diet and look at Atkin's medical writings, not his diet books. The so called diet pyramid based on carbohydrates is, according to Atkin, the cause of the diabetes epidemic that is sweeping the west.

How many people do you know who have survived long term on eating raw fruit and vegetables only? Why is it that important vitamins like A and Beta Carotene are more easily assimilated from cooked veggies? Why is vitamin B12 only available in animal products and vitamin B12 deficiency a special problem for vegans?

Nikitas
This has gone too far. If you look back through my posts I clearly stated the healthiest diets are those that are balanced . . . but with only low amounts of meat and preferably as fish / bird.

However, I will NOT advocate consumption of mammals. This is where I personally draw the line . . . not just for ethical / moral reasons but being mammals they are too close to us biochemically and the likelihood of disease transfer is high. This says to me that we are NOT adapted to eat fellow mammals.

I was vegan in my twenties . . . and became anaemic. Although I was bouncing with health otherwise. So it is a healthy diet if supplemented with an odd egg or yogurt.

A totally protein diet such as that of the Inuit is most unhealthy. They have a low life expectancy and significantly lowered I.Q . . . . which can be reversed by a healthier diet.

As far as diabetes . . . it's not plant derived carbohydrates that are the problem . . . but white man's COCA COLA!

very well said and thank you for a simple summary

[phoenix]

Phoenix

Can you mention just one primitive tribe that exists on an exclusively plant diet? My studies show that primitive tribes living exclusively from gathering still use animal derived proteins. They are the closest example we have of a totally natural way of life. Just a quick rundown- Pygmies, Bushmen, Amazon tribes, Pacific Islanders, Papua New Guinea people, Australian Aborigines, all the north American Indians, Eskimos and there must be more.

Referring to the Eskimo and Inuit, if their gut could not process their almost exclusively meat and fish diet they would not have survived as they did. It was only when the white man reached them and they started on plant derived carbohydrates that they discovered diabetes. You should also read up on the Paleo Diet and look at Atkin's medical writings, not his diet books. The so called diet pyramid based on carbohydrates is, according to Atkin, the cause of the diabetes epidemic that is sweeping the west.

How many people do you know who have survived long term on eating raw fruit and vegetables only? Why is it that important vitamins like A and Beta Carotene are more easily assimilated from cooked veggies? Why is vitamin B12 only available in animal products and vitamin B12 deficiency a special problem for vegans?

Nikitas
This has gone too far. If you look back through my posts I clearly stated the healthiest diets are those that are balanced . . . but with only low amounts of meat and preferably as fish / bird.

However, I will NOT advocate consumption of mammals. This is where I personally draw the line . . . not just for ethical / moral reasons but being mammals they are too close to us biochemically and the likelihood of disease transfer is high. This says to me that we are NOT adapted to eat fellow mammals.

I was vegan in my twenties . . . and became anaemic. Although I was bouncing with health otherwise. So it is a healthy diet if supplemented with an odd egg or yogurt.

A totally protein diet such as that of the Inuit is most unhealthy. They have a low life expectancy and significantly lowered I.Q . . . . which can be reversed by a healthier diet.

As far as diabetes . . . it's not plant derived carbohydrates that are the problem . . . but white man's COCA COLA!

very well said and thank you for a simple summary

I take it the compliment was pour moi ? . . . I thank you.

(I'm sure it doesn't include Nikitas, he is always so provocative! )

[oranos64]

Phoenix

Can you mention just one primitive tribe that exists on an exclusively plant diet? My studies show that primitive tribes living exclusively from gathering still use animal derived proteins. They are the closest example we have of a totally natural way of life. Just a quick rundown- Pygmies, Bushmen, Amazon tribes, Pacific Islanders, Papua New Guinea people, Australian Aborigines, all the north American Indians, Eskimos and there must be more.

Referring to the Eskimo and Inuit, if their gut could not process their almost exclusively meat and fish diet they would not have survived as they did. It was only when the white man reached them and they started on plant derived carbohydrates that they discovered diabetes. You should also read up on the Paleo Diet and look at Atkin's medical writings, not his diet books. The so called diet pyramid based on carbohydrates is, according to Atkin, the cause of the diabetes epidemic that is sweeping the west.

How many people do you know who have survived long term on eating raw fruit and vegetables only? Why is it that important vitamins like A and Beta Carotene are more easily assimilated from cooked veggies? Why is vitamin B12 only available in animal products and vitamin B12 deficiency a special problem for vegans?

Nikitas
This has gone too far. If you look back through my posts I clearly stated the healthiest diets are those that are balanced . . . but with only low amounts of meat and preferably as fish / bird.

However, I will NOT advocate consumption of mammals. This is where I personally draw the line . . . not just for ethical / moral reasons but being mammals they are too close to us biochemically and the likelihood of disease transfer is high. This says to me that we are NOT adapted to eat fellow mammals.

I was vegan in my twenties . . . and became anaemic. Although I was bouncing with health otherwise. So it is a healthy diet if supplemented with an odd egg or yogurt.

A totally protein diet such as that of the Inuit is most unhealthy. They have a low life expectancy and significantly lowered I.Q . . . . which can be reversed by a healthier diet.

As far as diabetes . . . it's not plant derived carbohydrates that are the problem . . . but white man's COCA COLA!

very well said and thank you for a simple summary

I take it the compliment was pour moi ? . . . I thank you.

(I'm sure it doesn't include Nikitas, he is always so provocative! )

no that was a good explaining ..i was at a health/online event health event this weekend for instructors and i was seriously considering becoming a veggie ... and the diabetes research results were scary

shocking at some of the info presnted especilly the milk link to hayfever etc

as for nikita ..its a guy ..i thought he she was a she

man i thought you was a guy untiil a month ago

anyway off to bed ..need my beauty sleep

[BenLex]

Halal or Kosher, makes no difference: the animal is well aware by the smell from previous slaughterings of what fate awaits them and they are distressed. They then have their throat slit and remain fully conscious and terrified until blood loss causes them to pass out.
Put it this way: if you tried to execute prisoners like this in the good-ol USofA they'd definitely classify it as "cruel and unusual" - and that's saying something.
Stunning may be imperfect but at least the animal is spared the final blow whilst conscious.
In my view, the words "Halal" and "civilisation" can never go together.