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[phoenix]

Just a warning that this video may be upsetting but for all those meat eaters . . . please think twice because it's not just better for the environment that we give up eating (so much!) meat, but it is unhealthy on so many levels to the biochemistry of your body . . . Think BSE / vCJD. And besides animals have rights too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vecCZsHlYEc

[Eliko]

So what's all the 'Shemozzle' about Halal meat?, whether or not we agree with the method of slaughter adopted by those who practice it is an irrelevance, the fact is that it IS practiced and is widespread among many people of different cultures to our own.

The art of slaughtering painlessly is entrusted to a few 'Experts' in that particular field of butchery, it is their belief that it sinful to cause pain to the animal and, whether or not they manage to achieve their aim, they DO believe in their ability to do so.

The art (if one can call it that) is a tradition handed down through generations, the 'Master Butcher' is a highly respected member of his community and he has an obligation to his faith which requires him to respect the animal he slaughters.

I am not an expert on the subject, therefore I am not qualified to condemn the practice of those that are, I agree that there may be some who slaughter animals quite cruelly, those who do are neither Halal nor Kosher butchers, the end product is therefore not entitled to be regarded as either Halal or Kosher.

I am now obliged to depart Cyprus once again (for a period of one week) I thought I would get my two cents worth in before doing so.

I wish you all well in my short absence and hope to be in touch on my return, best wishes and God Bless All.

Just think of THIS :- "If it wasn't for the Jews, the world would be infested with Chickens !"

[phoenix]

Halal meat??

Sorry thought this thread was about Halil's meat. Heard his marinade is to die for.

Food, food, food . . .

Don't you ever think about anything else!

you are only wanting us to hate each other. we are not going to .......

also try to learn have a respect others religion as well.

Halil; I respect peoples rights to hold beliefs . . . but I do not respect any religion. Organised religions serve only to brainwash the young to blindly follow sets of rules that do not move with the times or take account of Human Rights.
Please read Dawkins' "The God Delusion" for a full explanation.

And regarding your consumption of meat please take the time to watch this disturbing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vecCZsHlYEc

[Southerner]

Unless I am mistaken, I do believe that the process of slaughter by the 'Qualified' Halal butcher is deemed to be painless.

Whereas it may look gruesome, I have witnessed many such slaughters 'Expertly Undertaken' and have never seen any signs of distress from the animal.

I am told that the natural shock of being slaughtered, ensures it is pain free.

Since there is no real way of determining the degree of pain suffered by the initial stunning procedure (which could well be MORE painful than the actual death stroke of a qualified 'Halal Butcher') I feel we should allow those who advocate it's virtues to do so.

It is a tradition that has been passed down through centuries, another cultural difference better left alone.

In my humble opinion.

Did you ask the animals that were slaughtered how they felt about it?
If stunning is more painful then it is not stunning!

[cymart]

If you are really interested you can get the reports from the Farm Animal welfare council which are published by H.M.S.O. or maybe even borrow them from the library if you are in the U.K.
They do a lot towards proving my argument that religious slaughter should be stopped!

[oranos64]

What is Halal?
In Islam, Halal is an Arabic term meaning “lawful or permissible” and not only encompasses food and drink, but all matters of daily life.

The Social Context of Halal
Halal applies not only to food products but to all aspects of life and social context. One may hear mention of, "Halal money." What does this mean? For example, if a new religious center, school, hospital or any facility for social benefit is to be built, the funding must come from "clean" money or what is known as "Halal income." For example, money derived from gambling, the selling of alcohol, drug trafficking, illicit social vices, or any illegal activity is considered Haram or detrimental to society and therefore not acceptable or considered a Halal income.
This is but one brief example of Halal in a social context. Therefore, when one hears the word Halal outside the food industry, one must think of it as a way in conduct of all aspects of life and betterment of society. Halal certification of food also means a pure and more wholesome nourishment for mankind.
What is Haram?

The opposite of Halal is Haram, which means “unlawful, not permissible or prohibited.”

They may also be summarized as: A. B. C. I. S.

A: Alcohol
B: Blood
C: Carniverous animals or carriers of disease
I: Idolartry (any animals or poultry sacrificed for voodoo, witchcraft or anything
denying the existance of the the Deity is the same as paganism or atheism.)
S: Swine and all pork by-products and/or derivatives


The following products are Haram and negate the Halal status:
• Swine/pork and all of its by-products
• Animals improperly slaughtered or dead before slaughtering
• Animals killed or falsely sacrificed in any name other than God, the Merciful such as slaughter of "false sacrifice" to witchcraft, paganism, voodoo or idolatry are forbidden.
• Alcohol, intoxicants and narcotic drugs
• Carniverous animals, birds of prey and scavenger animals or foul
• Blood and blood by-products (blood is the circulatory cleansing fluid of the body and is not to be consumed)
• Foods contaminated with any of the above products or contaminated with "impurities" (in Arabic, "najis") from processing, such as manure, urine, rodent droppings, infectous fluids, pus, etc are considered Haram.
The following list of ingredients is a partial list of examples of what should be avoided and are considered non-Halal as well:

• Alcohol
• Non-Halal Animal Fat
• Enzymes *Microbial Enzymes are permissible
• Gelatin * - from non-Halal source (fish gelatin is Halal)
• L-cysteine (if from human hair)
• Lard
• Lipase* only animal lipase need be avoided
• Non-Halal Animal Shortening
• Pork Bacon
• Pork Ham
• Unspecified Meat Broth
• Rennet* All forms should be avoided except for plant/microbial/synthetic.
• Rum
• Stock* - a blend of mix species broth or meat stock
• Tallow* - non-Halal species
• Wine
*May be consumed if derived from Halal animals

Halal Education
Many people assume that Halal and Kosher are the same thing. They are mistaken! If a product is Kosher certified, it does not mean the product is automatically Halal. The Kosher process differs from what is allowable by the Islamic Shari'a. For example, there are Kosher wines and alcohol but this is not permissible or acceptable for Halal foods. Another example of the difference between Halal and Kosher are slaughter procedures. For Halal meat and poultry processing, the Muslim slaughterman is required to acknowledge God's Creation and to thank God for providing sustenance by stating a prayer before each and every slaughter. Muslim slaughtermen invoke God's name before each and every slaughter with the statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar.” The Shochet, or Jewish slaughterman, does not and is not required to invoke God's name on each animal before each slaughter. With Halal slaughtering, the entire carcas is utilized. With Kosher slaughtering, only the front four-quarter of the beef carcass is utilized. The Kosher hind quarters cannot be considered Halal as the Shochet does not adhere to Islamic Law and Halal guidelines and does not pronounce the name of God before each slaughter. Within the meat industry, some companies and distributors attempt to claim or purport Kosher hind quarters to be sold as "Halal" beef. Within Islam, Kosher slaughtering and handling is respected and industry is responsible to understand the guidelines and differences between Halal slaughter, invoking God's name before each slaughter, and traditional Kosher slaughter rites and not mislead consumers.

Simply put, Halal and Kosher are similar but yet as different as "vegetarian" and "vegan." However, it is a fact in some situations and circumstances, Kosher consumers accept Halal and some Halal consumers may accept Kosher.

anyway ....halal butchers exist in every town ..i believe there are two in paphos ...mate ,ask a local pakistani ... there are many of these guys in the town ,...

here in larnaca there are 3 of these butchers

kosher ,halal meat is much healther to eat... my moslem iranian friends get me this meat sometimes ....

[Hiyar herif]

the best meat is game..they're 100% organic,fresh and they've lived a happy life which means the meat is stress free,unlike the mass produced factory crap.
and there's nothing like letting off steam then hunting(and sex of course)

[oranos64]

the best meat is game..they're 100% organic,fresh and they've lived a happy life which means the meat is stress free,unlike the mass produced factory crap.
and there's nothing like letting off steam then hunting(and sex of course)

TRUE ....hunting for sex is great ..then sex with the hunted and then hunting for more sex ....

[Southerner]

kosher ,halal meat is much healther to eat... my moslem iranian friends get me this meat sometimes ......

When you die would you like it to be because of a slashed throat?
Hala meat much healthier my arse!

[denizaksulu]

Why is it that I have never come across a TC who will mock another persons religious beliefs and practices?