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[cymart]

Sorry Eliko-I cannot agree with you on this!The Farm Animal Welfare Council carried out intensive investigations by qualified veterenerians and other experts about 15 years ago in the U.K. and made a number of recommendations,not only about religious slaughter but also the method used for non-religious slaughter, especially regarding stunning methods and their duration.
They urgently demanded that killing animals without rendering them unconscious first be outlawed, firstly as the restraining this necessitates causes them stress and secondly because there is an inevitable level of pain caused by the incision until the animal loses consciousness, a process which can last from around 30 seconds up to around two minutes depending on the size of the animal and the effectiveness of the incision!
Furthermore, especially in the case of larger animals there is the risk of co-agulation of the arteries,meaning the bleeding out process is obstructed and consequently the animal will remain conscious for even longer than is intended!
I have seen Halal slaughter at an abbatoir in Southall, West London and the sheep were merely hung upside down on a conveyor belt until they came in front of a slaughter man who simply cut their throats and let them move on while they bled to death!I'm sure it was very stress-free for them!
However,I gather that the Halal method does not actually prohibit stunning and it is becoming more widely practised,especially with bovines and larger animals.I also know that the Turkish Cypriots who now run Famagusta Abbatoir which is just off the main road from Larnaca after the checkpoint do shoot cows first with either a rifle or captive bolt pistol but the poor sheep and goats.......It's not just how you kill them of course but how you handle them beforehand that is equally important and this affects the meat quality as well as any qualified slaughterman or butcher in the U.K. will confirm.
Unfortunately few Cypriots are very aware or sensitive about these things and animal welfare concern tends to be limited to cats and dogs etc. rather than farm animals.But it is now illegal in the south to slaughter any animal without stunning it effectively first and this must only happen in a licensed abbatoir.Whether or not this law is adhered to is another matter!

[phoenix]

Good account of the inhumanity of man to other animals cymart.

As adults we really do not need to consume meat from any animal . . . although fish does have positive health effects . . . but again none that can't be replaced by consuming large amounts of olive oil. Which is not a problem in the Mediterranean but is further North.

So we can end the controversy of having Halal or any slaughtered animal by adopting a healthier and kinder diet of dairy, nuts, fruits and vegetables.

[devil]

Oh, Gawd!!!! More animal crankiness! Humans are omnivores, meaning the Good Lord designed us or we evolved to benefit most from a mixed diet of meat and 2 veggies. If we were meant to be herbivores, we would have the alimentary canal of herbivores. We don't, we have that of omnivores. I have three friends who are vegans and all three are the unhealthiest people I know, even though they strive to a healthy diet. One of them is our next-door neighbour who eats very much Med style with olive oil in profusion, loads of crudities, nuts and fruit. He has a wickedly high blood pressure, only kept under control by drugs (no doubt tested on animals!!!!), he has a severe haemorrhoid problem, bouts of gout in various joints and he farts so much he could be mistaken for a jet engine. Yet he has never (knowingly) allowed any animal product through his lips for 35 years, not even a dry cracker. He says his only concession to his veganism is that his car has leather seats.

I respect my friends' beliefs, but it does not mean that I have to believe in them myself. I believe that good health comes from a moderate, balanced, omnivorous diet which the body can handle best.

And what about the cruelty to fruit and vegetables? Just because a tomato doesn't cry when you sink your teeth into it doesn't mean that you are being kind to it.

[cymart]

He is a great believer in plant sentience etc.Actually there are advanced spiritual Yogis in India and elsewhere who can exist on just water for days without any ill effects because they have adapted their bodies to exist free of the toxins from food products,especially animals!
This is a very ethical and now scientific debate but let's all agree that if we have to kill animals for food it should be done as quickly and painlessly as possible and certainly not by dragging them and tying them up before their throats are cut!

[DT.]

Halal meat??

Sorry thought this thread was about Halil's meat. Heard his marinade is to die for.

[phoenix]

Halal meat??

Sorry thought this thread was about Halil's meat. Heard his marinade is to die for.

Food, food, food . . .

Don't you ever think about anything else!

[DT.]

Halal meat??

Sorry thought this thread was about Halil's meat. Heard his marinade is to die for.

Food, food, food . . .

Don't you ever think about anything else!

off course i do madame

[halil]

Halal meat??

Sorry thought this thread was about Halil's meat. Heard his marinade is to die for.

Food, food, food . . .

Don't you ever think about anything else!

you are only wanting us to hate each other. we are not going to .......

also try to learn have a respect others religion as well.

[zan]

Oh, Gawd!!!! More animal crankiness! Humans are omnivores, meaning the Good Lord designed us or we evolved to benefit most from a mixed diet of meat and 2 veggies. If we were meant to be herbivores, we would have the alimentary canal of herbivores. We don't, we have that of omnivores. I have three friends who are vegans and all three are the unhealthiest people I know, even though they strive to a healthy diet. One of them is our next-door neighbour who eats very much Med style with olive oil in profusion, loads of crudities, nuts and fruit. He has a wickedly high blood pressure, only kept under control by drugs (no doubt tested on animals!!!!), he has a severe haemorrhoid problem, bouts of gout in various joints and he farts so much he could be mistaken for a jet engine. Yet he has never (knowingly) allowed any animal product through his lips for 35 years, not even a dry cracker. He says his only concession to his veganism is that his car has leather seats.

I respect my friends' beliefs, but it does not mean that I have to believe in them myself. I believe that good health comes from a moderate, balanced, omnivorous diet which the body can handle best.

And what about the cruelty to fruit and vegetables? Just because a tomato doesn't cry when you sink your teeth into it doesn't mean that you are being kind to it.

Sorry but that is funny.......The leather seats....Are they because the plastic ones are far too dangerous for his condition.....


If we did not get the mixed meat and veg diet..we would not have evolved into the beings we are today.


I have always wondered about being nice to animals that are destined for the slaughter houses anyway. We are now keeping them in such nice conditions that surely they are less likely to want to die....How about we keep them in really bad conditions and then will be lining up to go and have their throats cut...

[cymart]

I have seen it done here in villages and in the old Limassol slaughter house years ago where conditions- and hygiene- were atrocious!I have also seen it in England in small abbatoirs where the welfare of the animals had top priority and I'm sure they died very quickly and painlessly without any stress or manhandling!There are horror stories about large abbatoirs in Europe and U.S.A. etc owned by people like Macdonalds where enormous numbers are processed and the staff are on 'piece-work' which means they get paid according to volume!
Overall it is a form of legal murder and cannot be pleasant,no matter how hard the people who do it try!If people actually saw how their meat was produced by these big combines I'm sure most of them would give up eating meat and that would put Macdonalds and their junk-food chain out of business! We would all be better off without them!