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[Nikitas]

I am not poor, and I still want my house at Alexander street No 8 Famagusta. I do not want to sell it. I want it back even though I am not going to live in it. Because it is mine.

You live in the UK, where English Law in land cases recognises the remedy of specific performance, that is giving the actual piece of land and not money as damages, precisely because land is a unique asset. In addition to the land value itself there is the matter of patrimony and cutlural ties to a locality. This exchange of population crap is not going to work in a place as small as Cyprus. Read the story of Lambousa, you will find it delighful. Those Cypriots waited 300 years to return to their land and to dig up the treasures their ancestors had buried before fleeing from the Arab invaders. If you cannot understand this attachment of a peasant to this land you cannot solve the Cyprus problem.

I will give you a little anecdote which actually happened. My coumbaros is also a Famagusta refugee and practices medicine here in Greece. Once he was asked what he would do if he won the Lotto. "I will buy a village" he replied. Why? "So when all you bastards go to your villages at Easter I will have a villaafe to go to".

Are you getting it now?

[Pyrpolizer]

Most of the "displanced persons" are the ones that voted no to the Annan plan. For a Cypriot you display amazing ingorance of the attachment of Cypriots to their land and how they will react to its theft. The fact that the Greek Cypriots managed to turn adversity into wealth through hard work does not justify theft of their land. That kind of thinking is not going to get anyone anywhere.

As for the exchange scheme, I would like to see how many people in this forum would think that a donum in seaside Kyrenia equals one donum in mountanous Mala is a fair deal.

Nikitas you are arguing apples and oranges here. Attachment to land does not mean you are a refugee. If that were the case then I would be a refugee on two counts...One because I was forced out of my republic that I knew and loved under the Zurich agreement and the other because my land is in the buffer zone. Stop trying to blur the edges...You cannot have generation after generation of refugees.


As to the exchange....I did not mention exchange...I said that they should have been allowed to sell their land when they wanted to and get the market price for it. Then they could have bought a whole mountain for the money they got if they wanted or equivalent. That does nothing to take away from the fact that their government lied and bullied them into not selling because of its own political agenda and kept them poor so as to prove to the world that they were refugees. TPap is a traitor to those people.

Has anyone said that in case of a solution anyone should be deprived his right to sell his own property???
Selling, renting, keeping, developing, exchanging, are obvious rights for anyone, otherwise the solution will be rejected like the Anan plan.

May I remind you that those options were NOT available for most of the GCs with that Plan....

[zan]

I am not poor, and I still want my house at Alexander street No 8 Famagusta. I do not want to sell it. I want it back even though I am not going to live in it. Because it is mine.

You live in the UK, where English Law in land cases recognises the remedy of specific performance, that is giving the actual piece of land and not money as damages, precisely because land is a unique asset. In addition to the land value itself there is the matter of patrimony and cutlural ties to a locality. This exchange of population crap is not going to work in a place as small as Cyprus. Read the story of Lambousa, you will find it delighful. Those Cypriots waited 300 years to return to their land and to dig up the treasures their ancestors had buried before fleeing from the Arab invaders. If you cannot understand this attachment of a peasant to this land you cannot solve the Cyprus problem.

I will give you a little anecdote which actually happened. My coumbaros is also a Famagusta refugee and practices medicine here in Greece. Once he was asked what he would do if he won the Lotto. "I will buy a village" he replied. Why? "So when all you bastards go to your villages at Easter I will have a villaafe to go to".

Are you getting it now?

You are the one that is not getting it mate....YOU are a refugee and those that have just inherited a piece of land are not....

And are you misrepresenting what I said twice now on purpose....I said sell there property to who ever they wanted not be payed a fair price by a body.......Individual sales...Get it. No exchange or reparation but the freedom to sell which the "RoC" denied them......They lied to them and then threatened them they even arrested some illegally.........Their right to sell if they wanted to was deprived from them......

[zan]

Most of the "displanced persons" are the ones that voted no to the Annan plan. For a Cypriot you display amazing ingorance of the attachment of Cypriots to their land and how they will react to its theft. The fact that the Greek Cypriots managed to turn adversity into wealth through hard work does not justify theft of their land. That kind of thinking is not going to get anyone anywhere.

As for the exchange scheme, I would like to see how many people in this forum would think that a donum in seaside Kyrenia equals one donum in mountanous Mala is a fair deal.

Nikitas you are arguing apples and oranges here. Attachment to land does not mean you are a refugee. If that were the case then I would be a refugee on two counts...One because I was forced out of my republic that I knew and loved under the Zurich agreement and the other because my land is in the buffer zone. Stop trying to blur the edges...You cannot have generation after generation of refugees.


As to the exchange....I did not mention exchange...I said that they should have been allowed to sell their land when they wanted to and get the market price for it. Then they could have bought a whole mountain for the money they got if they wanted or equivalent. That does nothing to take away from the fact that their government lied and bullied them into not selling because of its own political agenda and kept them poor so as to prove to the world that they were refugees. TPap is a traitor to those people.

Has anyone said that in case of a solution anyone should be deprived his right to sell his own property???
Selling, renting, keeping, developing, exchanging, are obvious rights for anyone, otherwise the solution will be rejected like the Anan plan.

May I remind you that those options were NOT available for most of the GCs with that Plan....

That is the whole point....There is no need for a "in case of a solution"....They have the right and have always had the right to sell and the "RoC" has told them that it s illegal TO sell. They lied and threatened...Nothing to do with the Annan Plan or any other plan...They had that right taken away from them by TPap and his government illegally....End of!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

So if they have the right to sell, who you think deprives them the right to KEEP their own properties, develop them themselves, built on them, or rent them?

The thief who stole it from them on the first place perhaps? The one who just needs a few showcases to advertise his stealing as a simple everyday act of free choice? Tell me what choice doess the GC refugee have other than continue be deprived his OWN property???

[Pyrpolizer]

Sales can only be done when there is a solution in which all free choice options are available to each and EVERY citizen including the TCs. May I remind you once again that the GCs were deprived the option to buy any land in the TC component state under the Anan plan (aka the plan that legalized the results of the invasion).

[zan]

So if they have the right to sell, who you think deprives them the right to KEEP their own properties, develop them themselves, built on them, or rent them?

The thief who stole it from them on the first place perhaps? The one who just needs a few showcases to advertise his stealing as a simple everyday act of free choice? Tell me what choice doess the GC refugee have other than continue be deprived his OWN property???

Pyro

You are trying to divert attention away from what I am saying. If we take your ridiculous accusations of us depriving them of their property, for no reason at all, as said....It changes nothing of the fact that the "RoC" lied to and threatened it's own people to stop them selling their property at market prices and get on with their lives. Some are in dire straights because of this purely political decision and have suffered. I am not saying that they should have sold but should not have been badgered into and lied into not selling. Many wanted to and were deprived of the right by their own government.....I would say that was rubbing salt into the wound.

[DT.]

So if they have the right to sell, who you think deprives them the right to KEEP their own properties, develop them themselves, built on them, or rent them?

The thief who stole it from them on the first place perhaps? The one who just needs a few showcases to advertise his stealing as a simple everyday act of free choice? Tell me what choice doess the GC refugee have other than continue be deprived his OWN property???

Pyro

You are trying to divert attention away from what I am saying. If we take your ridiculous accusations of us depriving them of their property, for no reason at all, as said....It changes nothing of the fact that the "RoC" lied to and threatened it's own people to stop them selling their property at market prices and get on with their lives. Some are in dire straights because of this purely political decision and have suffered. I am not saying that they should have sold but should not have been badgered into and lied into not selling. Many wanted to and were deprived of the right by their own government.....I would say that was rubbing salt into the wound.

What are you talking about? Sell to who? Would the TC's/Turkish Settler living in it accept the change of the land registry?

When were we ever allowed to sell our property?

I saw the results of your committee by the way they offered the first compensation package to a GC. Came out to 10% of the market value. Methinks he will have been the last.