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[DT.]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

With every word you write...If you refuse to take account of the events that shaped Cyprus and only demand the return of the very few refugees left then what are you doing???

what few refugees? Know anyone that got his house back that I didn't know about? Property lost, people uprroted from homes....this doesn;t go away or get less with time.
What history am I neglecting? Do you want me to start spewing dates like piratis as well? Would you like to talk 300BC, 1571, 1955, 1958, 1963, 1974? WIll it help remind you that i don't reject the past?
You're on a bitter trip right now and I'm gonna steer clear.

[zan]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

With every word you write...If you refuse to take account of the events that shaped Cyprus and only demand the return of the very few refugees left then what are you doing???

what few refugees? Know anyone that got his house back that I didn't know about? Property lost, people uprroted from homes....this doesn;t go away or get less with time.
What history am I neglecting? Do you want me to start spewing dates like piratis as well? Would you like to talk 300BC, 1571, 1955, 1958, 1963, 1974? WIll it help remind you that i don't reject the past?
You're on a bitter trip right now and I'm gonna steer clear.

As I have said before...The start of the very first republic of Cyprus will do DT...I think that's a perfect starting point since neither GC nor TC had one before then. 1960 is the date in case you have forgotten.


As for your refugees......Stop quoting figures that have no relevance to today and give us numbers of how many have just been past on to relatives...They are not refugees. I don't want to belittle that part of our history but honesty would go a long way to solving this. There is also the fact that the "RoC" did everything it could, including lying to its own people, to stop them from selling on their property and getting on with their lives. An MP stood up in your parliament and said that it was not illegal to sell the property like the government told them it was and he has not been heard of since.




From a Turkish Cypriot UPROOTED and virtually exiled since 1964.

[Tim Drayton]

Potamia Village, Cyprus - symbol of the future?
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1191cyprus.html

[DT.]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

With every word you write...If you refuse to take account of the events that shaped Cyprus and only demand the return of the very few refugees left then what are you doing???

what few refugees? Know anyone that got his house back that I didn't know about? Property lost, people uprroted from homes....this doesn;t go away or get less with time.
What history am I neglecting? Do you want me to start spewing dates like piratis as well? Would you like to talk 300BC, 1571, 1955, 1958, 1963, 1974? WIll it help remind you that i don't reject the past?
You're on a bitter trip right now and I'm gonna steer clear.

As I have said before...The start of the very first republic of Cyprus will do DT...I think that's a perfect starting point since neither GC nor TC had one before then. 1960 is the date in case you have forgotten.


As for your refugees......Stop quoting figures that have no relevance to today and give us numbers of how many have just been past on to relatives...They are not refugees. I don't want to belittle that part of our history but honesty would go a long way to solving this. There is also the fact that the "RoC" did everything it could, including lying to its own people, to stop them from selling on their property and getting on with their lives. An MP stood up in your parliament and said that it was not illegal to sell the property like the government told them it was and he has not been heard of since.




From a Turkish Cypriot UPROOTED and virtually exiled since 1964.

How does it work for you Zan? What will happen to your house when you pass away to that Big Turkish Delight in the Sky? WIll someone inherit it, or will the UK consider ownership as null and void and proceed to sell it to some rich Londoner to make into a 5* hotel for hair dyed poodles?

1/3 of our people were uprooted, there's no numbers to play with there.

[zan]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

With every word you write...If you refuse to take account of the events that shaped Cyprus and only demand the return of the very few refugees left then what are you doing???

what few refugees? Know anyone that got his house back that I didn't know about? Property lost, people uprroted from homes....this doesn;t go away or get less with time.
What history am I neglecting? Do you want me to start spewing dates like piratis as well? Would you like to talk 300BC, 1571, 1955, 1958, 1963, 1974? WIll it help remind you that i don't reject the past?
You're on a bitter trip right now and I'm gonna steer clear.

As I have said before...The start of the very first republic of Cyprus will do DT...I think that's a perfect starting point since neither GC nor TC had one before then. 1960 is the date in case you have forgotten.


As for your refugees......Stop quoting figures that have no relevance to today and give us numbers of how many have just been past on to relatives...They are not refugees. I don't want to belittle that part of our history but honesty would go a long way to solving this. There is also the fact that the "RoC" did everything it could, including lying to its own people, to stop them from selling on their property and getting on with their lives. An MP stood up in your parliament and said that it was not illegal to sell the property like the government told them it was and he has not been heard of since.




From a Turkish Cypriot UPROOTED and virtually exiled since 1964.

How does it work for you Zan? What will happen to your house when you pass away to that Big Turkish Delight in the Sky? WIll someone inherit it, or will the UK consider ownership as null and void and proceed to sell it to some rich Londoner to make into a 5* hotel for hair dyed poodles?

1/3 of our people were uprooted, there's no numbers to play with there.

Simple really but the obvious does not play into your hands so you use emotive words in stead. They are not refugees but land owners. They are where they were born.

[Nikitas]

Ah the new ploy, change their title from refugees to displaced persons to landowners, and then setal their land with impunity. This ploy is just not going to fly. Not the way to solve anything nor to achieve goodwill. Try another one.

[zan]

Ah the new ploy, change their title from refugees to displaced persons to landowners, and then setal their land with impunity. This ploy is just not going to fly. Not the way to solve anything nor to achieve goodwill. Try another one.

No ploy just reality. The ones that are still living have that title and no one else. The ploy is from the "RoC" giving out false numbers as it has always done. The numbers of missing after 74 were shot to hell and the numbers of killed and placed in mass graves turned out to be TCs.......How can we ever trust numbers coming from the "RoC". If the "RoC" hadn't lied to them and made them believe that it was illegal to sell their land and get on with their lives and become as rich as the rest of TPaps cronies. 200, 000 people suffered unnecessarily at his hands...How do they feel....

[Nikitas]

Most of the "displanced persons" are the ones that voted no to the Annan plan. For a Cypriot you display amazing ingorance of the attachment of Cypriots to their land and how they will react to its theft. The fact that the Greek Cypriots managed to turn adversity into wealth through hard work does not justify theft of their land. That kind of thinking is not going to get anyone anywhere.

As for the exchange scheme, I would like to see how many people in this forum would think that a donum in seaside Kyrenia equals one donum in mountanous Mala is a fair deal.

[Nikitas]

I did not want to post a comment in the thread regarding the recovered bodies of the missing out of respect. But go through the cited article and see how the word Greek is missing when referring to the recovered remains. The word persons is used instead. It is the cheap stalinist technique technique used in the travel brochures of the TRNC, where the history of even the Greek Orthodox churches is told without the word Greek. Even propaganda has limits dictated by good taste!

[zan]

Most of the "displanced persons" are the ones that voted no to the Annan plan. For a Cypriot you display amazing ingorance of the attachment of Cypriots to their land and how they will react to its theft. The fact that the Greek Cypriots managed to turn adversity into wealth through hard work does not justify theft of their land. That kind of thinking is not going to get anyone anywhere.

As for the exchange scheme, I would like to see how many people in this forum would think that a donum in seaside Kyrenia equals one donum in mountanous Mala is a fair deal.

Nikitas you are arguing apples and oranges here. Attachment to land does not mean you are a refugee. If that were the case then I would be a refugee on two counts...One because I was forced out of my republic that I knew and loved under the Zurich agreement and the other because my land is in the buffer zone. Stop trying to blur the edges...You cannot have generation after generation of refugees.


As to the exchange....I did not mention exchange...I said that they should have been allowed to sell their land when they wanted to and get the market price for it. Then they could have bought a whole mountain for the money they got if they wanted or equivalent. That does nothing to take away from the fact that their government lied and bullied them into not selling because of its own political agenda and kept them poor so as to prove to the world that they were refugees. TPap is a traitor to those people.