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[denizaksulu]

don't be a wiggler deniz....he asked you first

now lets have it straight, without the wiggling

thanking you in advance...

GR asked me that question months ago and I remember not answering him. He has his own versions and I have mine. The truth is known to the people who lived through it and not by people who merely read about it.

I have also read from (non-TC sources) esp Greek Army Officers of the conflict and the heroic resistance of the few hundred University brothers of mine and of the resistance they put up against the National Guard and their Eoka henchmen. Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion and yes they were nearly starved to death. ...and finally the arrival of the Turkish Jets did save them from annihilation. What is the point GR is trying to score now?

btw, since when have you become GRs mouthpiece?

Have a g'day and thank you for yur politeness.(in advance)

Sorry Deniz

"Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion"

means these people were working towards taksim, and were enemies of a state. I'm sure that if someone held a bridgehead for the Kurds in Turkey for the reasons of an invasion by Kurdish forces and partitio of Turkey that the Turkish forces would be in their rights to crush that rebellion.

Now your second line confuses me

.."and yes they were nearly starved to death".

Thats like saying the burglar in my house had to hide in the closet until we were gone but because he was crouchng so long had to go to hospital afterwards with severe back pain.

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Thanks fr your response DT.

The fact that Turkey never came shows that Turkey had no plans, or she would have come.
What we call the Erenoy incidences were in response to the GC dream of Enosis. They were not going to let the GC walk all over them.

As to their starving, as far as the university students were concerned it showed them the unwillingness of Turkey to help. When it was finally all over, they were not a happy lot (as far as Turkey was concerned).

[DT.]

don't be a wiggler deniz....he asked you first

now lets have it straight, without the wiggling

thanking you in advance...

GR asked me that question months ago and I remember not answering him. He has his own versions and I have mine. The truth is known to the people who lived through it and not by people who merely read about it.

I have also read from (non-TC sources) esp Greek Army Officers of the conflict and the heroic resistance of the few hundred University brothers of mine and of the resistance they put up against the National Guard and their Eoka henchmen. Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion and yes they were nearly starved to death. ...and finally the arrival of the Turkish Jets did save them from annihilation. What is the point GR is trying to score now?

btw, since when have you become GRs mouthpiece?

Have a g'day and thank you for yur politeness.(in advance)

Sorry Deniz

"Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion"

means these people were working towards taksim, and were enemies of a state. I'm sure that if someone held a bridgehead for the Kurds in Turkey for the reasons of an invasion by Kurdish forces and partitio of Turkey that the Turkish forces would be in their rights to crush that rebellion.

Now your second line confuses me

.."and yes they were nearly starved to death".

Thats like saying the burglar in my house had to hide in the closet until we were gone but because he was crouchng so long had to go to hospital afterwards with severe back pain.

Thanks fr your response DT.

The fact that Turkey never came shows that Turkey had no plans, or she would have come.
What we call the Erenoy incidences were in response to the GC dream of Enosis. They were not going to let the GC walk all over them.

As to their starving, as far as the university students were concerned it showed them the unwillingness of Turkey to help. When it was finally all over, they were not a happy lot (as far as Turkey was concerned).[/quote]

Sorry Deniz, my recollection was that Turkey had the plans but pressure from the US stopped the invasion on 3 separate incidents.

[denizaksulu]

don't be a wiggler deniz....he asked you first

now lets have it straight, without the wiggling

thanking you in advance...

GR asked me that question months ago and I remember not answering him. He has his own versions and I have mine. The truth is known to the people who lived through it and not by people who merely read about it.

I have also read from (non-TC sources) esp Greek Army Officers of the conflict and the heroic resistance of the few hundred University brothers of mine and of the resistance they put up against the National Guard and their Eoka henchmen. Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion and yes they were nearly starved to death. ...and finally the arrival of the Turkish Jets did save them from annihilation. What is the point GR is trying to score now?

btw, since when have you become GRs mouthpiece?

Have a g'day and thank you for yur politeness.(in advance)

Sorry Deniz

"Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion"

means these people were working towards taksim, and were enemies of a state. I'm sure that if someone held a bridgehead for the Kurds in Turkey for the reasons of an invasion by Kurdish forces and partitio of Turkey that the Turkish forces would be in their rights to crush that rebellion.

Now your second line confuses me

.."and yes they were nearly starved to death".

Thats like saying the burglar in my house had to hide in the closet until we were gone but because he was crouchng so long had to go to hospital afterwards with severe back pain.

Thanks fr your response DT.

The fact that Turkey never came shows that Turkey had no plans, or she would have come.
What we call the Erenoy incidences were in response to the GC dream of Enosis. They were not going to let the GC walk all over them.

As to their starving, as far as the university students were concerned it showed them the unwillingness of Turkey to help. When it was finally all over, they were not a happy lot (as far as Turkey was concerned).

Sorry Deniz, my recollection was that Turkey had the plans but pressure from the US stopped the invasion on 3 separate incidents.[/quote]

Thanks DT, this is exactly where we will disagree, for what its worth. Been over these issues in a not to distant past. We will keep on regurgitating over and over again. But what matters, as far as I am concerned is the future. There has been enough sadness on both sides. We cannot put the past right. Let us make the future 'right'. right?

Regards

[zan]

and everyone returns to their ancestral lands...sounds good to me...indeed a level playing field...

Who are you going to leave Cyprus to then...You go to Greece and we to Turkey and then start from there to wherever....Africa...That's it...See you in Africa...You can have the tall tree...I am afraid of heights.



Free_Cyprus....It's all yours mate.

[DT.]

don't be a wiggler deniz....he asked you first

now lets have it straight, without the wiggling

thanking you in advance...

GR asked me that question months ago and I remember not answering him. He has his own versions and I have mine. The truth is known to the people who lived through it and not by people who merely read about it.

I have also read from (non-TC sources) esp Greek Army Officers of the conflict and the heroic resistance of the few hundred University brothers of mine and of the resistance they put up against the National Guard and their Eoka henchmen. Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion and yes they were nearly starved to death. ...and finally the arrival of the Turkish Jets did save them from annihilation. What is the point GR is trying to score now?

btw, since when have you become GRs mouthpiece?

Have a g'day and thank you for yur politeness.(in advance)

Sorry Deniz

"Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion"

means these people were working towards taksim, and were enemies of a state. I'm sure that if someone held a bridgehead for the Kurds in Turkey for the reasons of an invasion by Kurdish forces and partitio of Turkey that the Turkish forces would be in their rights to crush that rebellion.

Now your second line confuses me

.."and yes they were nearly starved to death".

Thats like saying the burglar in my house had to hide in the closet until we were gone but because he was crouchng so long had to go to hospital afterwards with severe back pain.

Thanks fr your response DT.

The fact that Turkey never came shows that Turkey had no plans, or she would have come.
What we call the Erenoy incidences were in response to the GC dream of Enosis. They were not going to let the GC walk all over them.

As to their starving, as far as the university students were concerned it showed them the unwillingness of Turkey to help. When it was finally all over, they were not a happy lot (as far as Turkey was concerned).

Sorry Deniz, my recollection was that Turkey had the plans but pressure from the US stopped the invasion on 3 separate incidents.

Thanks DT, this is exactly where we will disagree, for what its worth. Been over these issues in a not to distant past. We will keep on regurgitating over and over again. But what matters, as far as I am concerned is the future. There has been enough sadness on both sides. We cannot put the past right. Let us make the future 'right'. right?
Regards

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Would love to forget the past Deniz but (and i hate doing this with such a nice guy like you) Just 2 pages away you helped bring back a lot other memories as well. A touch on the selective past picking ain't it?

We are constantly reminded of 1571. That was the beginning of 'ethnic cleansing ' in Cyprus in 1963, which would have taken place had not the Turkish Jets flown over Nicosia. This is fresh in living memory. An important issue to remember. People do not forget. That goes to both sides.

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[zan]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

[DT.]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

[denizaksulu]

don't be a wiggler deniz....he asked you first

now lets have it straight, without the wiggling

thanking you in advance...

GR asked me that question months ago and I remember not answering him. He has his own versions and I have mine. The truth is known to the people who lived through it and not by people who merely read about it.

I have also read from (non-TC sources) esp Greek Army Officers of the conflict and the heroic resistance of the few hundred University brothers of mine and of the resistance they put up against the National Guard and their Eoka henchmen. Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion and yes they were nearly starved to death. ...and finally the arrival of the Turkish Jets did save them from annihilation. What is the point GR is trying to score now?

btw, since when have you become GRs mouthpiece?

Have a g'day and thank you for yur politeness.(in advance)

Sorry Deniz

"Yes , they were holding a bridgehead in hope of a Turkish Invasion"

means these people were working towards taksim, and were enemies of a state. I'm sure that if someone held a bridgehead for the Kurds in Turkey for the reasons of an invasion by Kurdish forces and partitio of Turkey that the Turkish forces would be in their rights to crush that rebellion.

Now your second line confuses me

.."and yes they were nearly starved to death".

Thats like saying the burglar in my house had to hide in the closet until we were gone but because he was crouchng so long had to go to hospital afterwards with severe back pain.

Thanks fr your response DT.

The fact that Turkey never came shows that Turkey had no plans, or she would have come.
What we call the Erenoy incidences were in response to the GC dream of Enosis. They were not going to let the GC walk all over them.

As to their starving, as far as the university students were concerned it showed them the unwillingness of Turkey to help. When it was finally all over, they were not a happy lot (as far as Turkey was concerned).

Sorry Deniz, my recollection was that Turkey had the plans but pressure from the US stopped the invasion on 3 separate incidents.

Thanks DT, this is exactly where we will disagree, for what its worth. Been over these issues in a not to distant past. We will keep on regurgitating over and over again. But what matters, as far as I am concerned is the future. There has been enough sadness on both sides. We cannot put the past right. Let us make the future 'right'. right?
Regards

Would love to forget the past Deniz but (and i hate doing this with such a nice guy like you) Just 2 pages away you helped bring back a lot other memories as well. A touch on the selective past picking ain't it?

We are constantly reminded of 1571. That was the beginning of 'ethnic cleansing ' in Cyprus in 1963, which would have taken place had not the Turkish Jets flown over Nicosia. This is fresh in living memory. An important issue to remember. People do not forget. That goes to both sides.

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I am sorry to bring back, painful pasts. Yes I did quote 1571, and as you see, GR will always remind us of his hatred. You dont know that I am a nice guy. Provoke me and I might expose my alter ego. Not really I at least only have one ego.

Can we or thhe GCs forget the past? ever? It will always come up and re-ignite issues.

[DT.]

true

[zan]

OK to go back to 1974 though ey

I didn't say lets forget the past now did I?

With every word you write...If you refuse to take account of the events that shaped Cyprus and only demand the return of the very few refugees left then what are you doing???