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[Get Real!]

Get Real! I am not agreeing with Zan at all that a 3 year old could understand the complexity of the conflicts occurring in 1963 - 1964. You are more in tune with the idea that it is due to constant reminders by adults that shape the memories.

However, I was 5 years old (and much cleverer than Zan kidding!) and that is old enough to remember the noises of the planes flying overhead, time spent in bomb shelters, and bombs landing around us whilst caught in the open.

I don't know where Zan was but we were caught up in the Pomos - Polis raids that ensued from the Kokkina situation . . . and it was not minor!

In August 1964, another major battle took place in the Kokkina Mansoura area. Fighting broke out on 3 August and continued until 6 August, during which the Turkish air force bombed Greek villages indiscriminately with napalm. The clash at Kokkina drew sharp attention to the realities of Cypriot vulnerability to the power politics of Turkey. A cease-fire was reached on 9 August and drew to a close this latest serious outbreak of violence.

The resulting casualties, however, give an interesting insight into these events. According to Turkish sources, the fights at Kokkina resulted in 53 Greek Cypriots dead and 125 injured. On the Turkish side, only 12 fatalities and 32 wounded are recorded. These figures reflect the degree of military preparedness on the Turkish side and again emphasise that the Turkish Cypriot strategy was one of occupying strategic positions to facilitate territorial gain through armed rebellion, although camouflaged in the language of minority protection.

As for not contributing unless we live in Cyprus, in my case I had no choice but to be moved to the UK (my mum had issues with Grivas too so it was complex) . . . however our ties and home are still there and this passage to the UK was merely transient. Cyprus has always been my true home even if I haven't always had the pleasure and honour of living there permanently.

So I now ask myself "What can I do for my country?" . . . and I intend to help any way I can.

(Please don't tell me to leave the Cyprus Problem to the men if I am to be of any help!).

Well I posted this on page 28 . . . but Zan came along and posted his after me and had to have the limelight and all the psychoanalysis and stole my thunder. I'm really miffed because my memories were authentic and I have evidence.

It's not fair! Zan, Zan, always bloody Zan!

I'm sure the regulars are very much aware of the events at Kokkina and we're bound to have a thread or two about it somewhere.

What I want to point out is that there is a HUGE difference in memory between a 3 year old and a 5 year old as children make quantum leaps in development with every year.

With regards to not contributing unless in Cyprus, what I really wanted to say and I don't know how I screwed up, because I usually get my messages across loud and clear, is that those that have been gone for 3-4 decades and hardly ever come here are so out of touch with their minds still instilled with the way things were back when they first left that their contribution is way too biased to be taken seriously... Eric is another such person I suspect.

[zan]

Here is one I can't remember but My brother inlaw and his family can.....Turkish Flag in one hand and a gun in the other...Sampson then went on to murder the men of the village and put tthe wwomen and children in concentration camps...would you like to see the licture of the murdered children I was talking about??

[Pyrpolizer]

That was a peace operation Zan. As you can see in the picture there is peace everywhere the lens could see.

About your proposal to show us another picture we have already seen the one the Turkish photographer has staged.

[Get Real!]

Oh you translsated it already!

Yeap,Grivas is coming!

Why else would I repost?

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for the pic Pyro...

Hmmmm. The way I see this is that Zan was right.

[denizaksulu]

Oh you translsated it already!

Yeap,Grivas is coming!

According to European Historians the pro per expression was "the Turks are coming".

[zan]

You mean the one the Turkish photographer has staged?

Another piece of Greek propaganda by you lying shits


The mother covered the children with washing to hide them and the photographer had to move the clothes to get the picture.

[Get Real!]

would you like to see the licture of the murdered children I was talking about??

Are you refering to the two dead kids and mom in a bathtub? I've seen that but you haven't told us what a three year old was doing at a crime scene... Who took you there and why?

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't think that has anything to do with Zan's memories and or illussions though Deniz.

[zan]

would you like to see the licture of the murdered children I was talking about??

Are you refering to the two dead kids and mom in a bathtub? I've seen that but you haven't told us what a three year old was doing at a crime scene... Who took you there and why?

You know I am beginning to think that there is more than one GR as well. We have discussed this a couple of times but thse cigarettes you smoke must be loaded with something else....Get then checked along with your head...

After the event the house was opened for people to go and see what the Greeks had done. They put pictures on the walls and let us in. My Mother...for all her sins, but it was the sign of the times and she was scared to leave us alone in the house in case of another attack.....took us along because she thought the same way you do with your old notions that a three year old would not understand or get scared, to see the house. I have a memory of a dark house and just the front entrance with a photo on the wall...The rest is gone.



GR
I have to thank you because I have just uncovered one piece of the puzzle that I could not make out in the twisted dreams of my depression. Funny how the mind works.