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[Get Real!]

Your incessant games conducted from the safety & comfort of London are most tiring. Personally, I don’t think those not living here should have a say in Cypriot matters as they are out of touch with reality and have forfeited their ties with this land anyway.

Interestingly, they are also the most likely to post archaic one-sided nonsense based on illusions invented by Boogeyman stories spread by their community’s constant sensationalizing of petty events.

Three year-olds don’t remember ANYTHING Zanny so it’s time you visited your local psychologist and rid this forum of your drivel.

You should stand back and take a look too GR. If only to see what people like you have created in Cyprus. A bitter division. You generalise too much and I suggest you are wrong. Had people like Zan or me and others had stayed in Cyprus, then you would have still atacked us as being in 'illegal' occupation etc etc. With you there are no winners.

How about a comment on this? (bolded)

You will be surprised at the capabilty of toddlers remembering traumatic experiences. Ask your 'friend' Phoenix who seems to be bio/medically inclined, she can give you a few hints. Now you are going to tell us that you have no recollection of running up and down the dusty streets with no pants on. Maybe it wasnt traumatic enough for you but it must have been hilarious for your parents.

A three year old hasn't got the faintest clue what a gun, sand bag, or barbed wire is used for so fear from material things alone (visible items) is impossible at this young age.

If a three year old were to see his parents in fear, crying, panicking, etc then that would definitely induce fear in the toddler but one that lasts 40+ years? I don't think so... Zan's imagination has seemingly been severely manipulated by those close to him and his community in general.

MOST people in Cyprus did NOT experience ANYTHING dramatic during 1963...69 because the inter-communal fighting was very limited in scope and very sporadic but it seems trendy to pretend to have experienced heaps; typical Cypriot show-off attitude!

[denizaksulu]

Your incessant games conducted from the safety & comfort of London are most tiring. Personally, I don’t think those not living here should have a say in Cypriot matters as they are out of touch with reality and have forfeited their ties with this land anyway.

Interestingly, they are also the most likely to post archaic one-sided nonsense based on illusions invented by Boogeyman stories spread by their community’s constant sensationalizing of petty events.

Three year-olds don’t remember ANYTHING Zanny so it’s time you visited your local psychologist and rid this forum of your drivel.

You should stand back and take a look too GR. If only to see what people like you have created in Cyprus. A bitter division. You generalise too much and I suggest you are wrong. Had people like Zan or me and others had stayed in Cyprus, then you would have still atacked us as being in 'illegal' occupation etc etc. With you there are no winners.

How about a comment on this? (bolded)

You will be surprised at the capabilty of toddlers remembering traumatic experiences. Ask your 'friend' Phoenix who seems to be bio/medically inclined, she can give you a few hints. Now you are going to tell us that you have no recollection of running up and down the dusty streets with no pants on. Maybe it wasnt traumatic enough for you but it must have been hilarious for your parents.

A three year old hasn't got the faintest clue what a gun, sand bag, or barbed wire is used for so fear from material things alone (visible items) is impossible at this young age.

If a three year old were to see his parents in fear, crying, panicking, etc then that would definitely induce fear in the toddler but one that lasts 40+ years? I don't think so... Zan's imagination has seemingly been severely manipulated by those close to him and his community in general.

MOST people in Cyprus did NOT experience ANYTHING dramatic during 1963...69 because the inter-communal fighting was very limited in scope and very sporadic but it seems trendy to pretend to have experienced heaps; typical Cypriot show-off attitude!

Well, you can talk for yourself and Zan will do likewise. His memories do count for something. Even if he needed reminding 'recall' is a powerful tool.

[Nikitas]

Well I have some horrid memories of 1958, but I was not 3, I was 8 years old at the time. Nicosia, curfew, attacks from Turkish Cypriots coming from a few blocks down the road.

The most horrifying realization, which is still with me, is that people you do not know, are coming to harm you and there is no way to protect yourself. It is a moment of stark fear and it kicks in a whole bunch of other things: Children collecting bottles on roof tops to use as weapons, figuring how to connect electricity to the front door metal frame so that invaders would get shocked, and a host of other deadly recipes, at age 8.

I imagine it happened the other way round in 1963.

[Eric dayi]

Eric
You are a fool if you think Turkish Cypriots are officially classified the same as a mainland Turk when it comes to the crunch..Ask yourself why a Turkish Cypriot can only get promotion up to a limited level in Turkish Army and let me know also if you come up with a logical answer..
TURKS IN TURKEY DO NOT SEE US TC's AS FULL BLOODED TURKS & THEY SHOW THIS AT EVERY OFFICIAL LEVEL (or even during a simple argument)
Why do you insist on thinking you are the same as a Turk from mainland? YOU ARE NOT!!!

You should be asking yourself the question why they don't see you and people who think and talk like you as Turks iceman or do you really think that they are going to trust you when you keep telling them you are different to them?

The problem is that not only do some TCs see themselves as different to mainland Turks but they even see themselves as being different to those TCs who have been living outside of the TRNC for a while and specially those who were born in foreign countries. Why is that iceman?

Whats the matter Eric? Found out you and Zan don't speak for all the TC's as you keep on telling us? Take a long hard look Eric.....

You need to get out more Daft Twat and count yourself as a winner on the hearsay of the few TCs in this forum. In fact the last polls in the TRNC proves you and them to be very wrong. The majority do not want the Turkish Army to leave and no one is demonstrating about sending the "settlers" back to Turkey. So, your dream of having the TCs get rid of the Turkish Army and the Turks out of the TRNC will have to stay a dream for a very long time to come.

Go back to Papadope and call a meeting, you need to work on the next part of your propaganda, this one ain't working either, just like all the other ones before it.

[denizaksulu]

Well I have some horrid memories of 1958, but I was not 3, I was 8 years old at the time. Nicosia, curfew, attacks from Turkish Cypriots coming from a few blocks down the road.

The most horrifying realization, which is still with me, is that people you do not know, are coming to harm you and there is no way to protect yourself. It is a moment of stark fear and it kicks in a whole bunch of other things: Children collecting bottles on roof tops to use as weapons, figuring how to connect electricity to the front door metal frame so that invaders would get shocked, and a host of other deadly recipes, at age 8.

I imagine it happened the other way round in 1963.

Most of us in that particular age group will have similar experiences. The sad thing is these are the fears from our neighbors. I hope the day will come and that fear disappears. As it stands there is no fear. Can this be achieved all over the island if there is Unification? ...and that is the oft asked question. The fear I refer to is not the fear of the 'gun'.

Hoping alone will not achieve this, our politicians will have to work bloody harder.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

I often ask myself that question too. The day when a routine conflict, of the kind that happen between people everyhere, between a Greek Cypriot and a Turkish Cypriot can be resolved on its merits without any reference to national origin, in a Cyprus venue, whether that is a court, newspaper, etc, that will be the start.

It is amazing how the bonds between neighbors were destroyed by a few hundred determined people with a little help from the two "motherlands". Cypriots must have been so naive back then!

[Eric dayi]

Your incessant games conducted from the safety & comfort of London are most tiring. Personally, I don’t think those not living here should have a say in Cypriot matters as they are out of touch with reality and have forfeited their ties with this land anyway.

Interestingly, they are also the most likely to post archaic one-sided nonsense based on illusions invented by Boogeyman stories spread by their community’s constant sensationalizing of petty events.

Three year-olds don’t remember ANYTHING Zanny so it’s time you visited your local psychologist and rid this forum of your drivel.

You should stand back and take a look too GR. If only to see what people like you have created in Cyprus. A bitter division. You generalise too much and I suggest you are wrong. Had people like Zan or me and others had stayed in Cyprus, then you would have still atacked us as being in 'illegal' occupation etc etc. With you there are no winners.

How about a comment on this? (bolded)

You will be surprised at the capabilty of toddlers remembering traumatic experiences. Ask your 'friend' Phoenix who seems to be bio/medically inclined, she can give you a few hints. Now you are going to tell us that you have no recollection of running up and down the dusty streets with no pants on. Maybe it wasnt traumatic enough for you but it must have been hilarious for your parents.

A three year old hasn't got the faintest clue what a gun, sand bag, or barbed wire is used for so fear from material things alone (visible items) is impossible at this young age.

If a three year old were to see his parents in fear, crying, panicking, etc then that would definitely induce fear in the toddler but one that lasts 40+ years? I don't think so... Zan's imagination has seemingly been severely manipulated by those close to him and his community in general.

MOST people in Cyprus did NOT experience ANYTHING dramatic during 1963...69 because the inter-communal fighting was very limited in scope and very sporadic but it seems trendy to pretend to have experienced heaps; typical Cypriot show-off attitude!

You are not as good a liar as you try to make us believe Git Retard, thousands and thousands of TCs suffered the trauma of being chased out of their homes, villages and a lot of them witnessed the murdering of their loved ones by the murdering scum EOKA helped by the victims own GC neighbours.

Those who were lucky enough not have suffered at the hands of the murdering scum EOKA heard the gun fires and waited to see if it would be them who would be the next one to be murdered. They also read newspapers and saw the photos of dead bodies of the TCs who were buried alive their hands tied to their backs with barbed wire and the mother and her kids who were murdered in the bath again by the murdering EOKA scum. That alone is enough to traumatise anyone for the rest of his/her life and never to want to live together with people who are capable of such cowardly atrocities.

All the TCs who lived in Cyprus at the time were traumatised one way or another and will never forget what the GCs did to us TCs, no matter what lies your GC propaganda machine tries to spread.

You are fighting a loosing battle with your propaganda Git Retard and the more you lie the deeper you dig yourself in the sh1te. One thing you have to realise though, it's no skin off our noses how deep you dig yourself in the sh1te, in fact, the deeper the better for us TCs.

It's not you we have to convince Git Retard, it's the rest of the world and right now it's not looking too good for you GCs.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

I often ask myself that question too. The day when a routine conflict, of the kind that happen between people everyhere, between a Greek Cypriot and a Turkish Cypriot can be resolved on its merits without any reference to national origin, in a Cyprus venue, whether that is a court, newspaper, etc, that will be the start.

It is amazing how the bonds between neighbors were destroyed by a few hundred determined people with a little help from the two "motherlands". Cypriots must have been so naive back then!

...and somehow its always the few hundred determined people who manage to carry the day.

[DT.]

Eric
You are a fool if you think Turkish Cypriots are officially classified the same as a mainland Turk when it comes to the crunch..Ask yourself why a Turkish Cypriot can only get promotion up to a limited level in Turkish Army and let me know also if you come up with a logical answer..
TURKS IN TURKEY DO NOT SEE US TC's AS FULL BLOODED TURKS & THEY SHOW THIS AT EVERY OFFICIAL LEVEL (or even during a simple argument)
Why do you insist on thinking you are the same as a Turk from mainland? YOU ARE NOT!!!

You should be asking yourself the question why they don't see you and people who think and talk like you as Turks iceman or do you really think that they are going to trust you when you keep telling them you are different to them?

The problem is that not only do some TCs see themselves as different to mainland Turks but they even see themselves as being different to those TCs who have been living outside of the TRNC for a while and specially those who were born in foreign countries. Why is that iceman?

Whats the matter Eric? Found out you and Zan don't speak for all the TC's as you keep on telling us? Take a long hard look Eric.....

You need to get out more Daft Twat and count yourself as a winner on the hearsay of the few TCs in this forum. In fact the last polls in the TRNC proves you and them to be very wrong. The majority do not want the Turkish Army to leave and no one is demonstrating about sending the "settlers" back to Turkey. So, your dream of having the TCs get rid of the Turkish Army and the Turks out of the TRNC will have to stay a dream for a very long time to come.

Go back to Papadope and call a meeting, you need to work on the next part of your propaganda, this one ain't working either, just like all the other ones before it.

spanky spanky?

[phoenix]

Your incessant games conducted from the safety & comfort of London are most tiring. Personally, I don’t think those not living here should have a say in Cypriot matters as they are out of touch with reality and have forfeited their ties with this land anyway.

Interestingly, they are also the most likely to post archaic one-sided nonsense based on illusions invented by Boogeyman stories spread by their community’s constant sensationalizing of petty events.

Three year-olds don’t remember ANYTHING Zanny so it’s time you visited your local psychologist and rid this forum of your drivel.

You should stand back and take a look too GR. If only to see what people like you have created in Cyprus. A bitter division. You generalise too much and I suggest you are wrong. Had people like Zan or me and others had stayed in Cyprus, then you would have still atacked us as being in 'illegal' occupation etc etc. With you there are no winners.

How about a comment on this? (bolded)

You will be surprised at the capabilty of toddlers remembering traumatic experiences. Ask your 'friend' Phoenix who seems to be bio/medically inclined, she can give you a few hints. Now you are going to tell us that you have no recollection of running up and down the dusty streets with no pants on. Maybe it wasnt traumatic enough for you but it must have been hilarious for your parents.

A three year old hasn't got the faintest clue what a gun, sand bag, or barbed wire is used for so fear from material things alone (visible items) is impossible at this young age.

If a three year old were to see his parents in fear, crying, panicking, etc then that would definitely induce fear in the toddler but one that lasts 40+ years? I don't think so... Zan's imagination has seemingly been severely manipulated by those close to him and his community in general.

MOST people in Cyprus did NOT experience ANYTHING dramatic during 1963...69 because the inter-communal fighting was very limited in scope and very sporadic but it seems trendy to pretend to have experienced heaps; typical Cypriot show-off attitude!

Get Real! I am not agreeing with Zan at all that a 3 year old could understand the complexity of the conflicts occurring in 1963 - 1964. You are more in tune with the idea that it is due to constant reminders by adults that shape the memories.

However, I was 5 years old (and much cleverer than Zan kidding!) and that is old enough to remember the noises of the planes flying overhead, time spent in bomb shelters, and bombs landing around us whilst caught in the open.

I don't know where Zan was but we were caught up in the Pomos - Polis raids that ensued from the Kokkina situation . . . and it was not minor!

In August 1964, another major battle took place in the Kokkina Mansoura area. Fighting broke out on 3 August and continued until 6 August, during which the Turkish air force bombed Greek villages indiscriminately with napalm. The clash at Kokkina drew sharp attention to the realities of Cypriot vulnerability to the power politics of Turkey. A cease-fire was reached on 9 August and drew to a close this latest serious outbreak of violence.

The resulting casualties, however, give an interesting insight into these events. According to Turkish sources, the fights at Kokkina resulted in 53 Greek Cypriots dead and 125 injured. On the Turkish side, only 12 fatalities and 32 wounded are recorded. These figures reflect the degree of military preparedness on the Turkish side and again emphasise that the Turkish Cypriot strategy was one of occupying strategic positions to facilitate territorial gain through armed rebellion, although camouflaged in the language of minority protection.

As for not contributing unless we live in Cyprus, in my case I had no choice but to be moved to the UK (my mum had issues with Grivas too so it was complex) . . . however our ties and home are still there and this passage to the UK was merely transient. Cyprus has always been my true home even if I haven't always had the pleasure and honour of living there permanently.

So I now ask myself "What can I do for my country?" . . . and I intend to help any way I can.

(Please don't tell me to leave the Cyprus Problem to the men if I am to be of any help!).