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[zan]

:shocked: Oh come on Pyro! That sounds ridiculous!

Yet true my friend. If it gives you any comfort those settlers were Kurds.

I can give you other examples like using the toilet for their animals to drink water and the bathtap to place their food.

We had many thousand Gcs living in Karpaz T_C. They witnessed all these events, and I heard them from too many.

if I remember well they were also throwing away the chairs as they liked sitting on the floor.

The man of culture that knows nothing hahahahahaaaaaa. This is about as stupid as it can get and you have made some cockups on this forum Pyro hahahahahaaaa

The ape has come down from the trees and is calling his brothers uncivilised apes.......The art of hanging meat is an age old trade carried out by kings you doughnut....Lords and bishops hang pheasant for days before cooking. many meats are cured in the sun with flies shitting on them day and night and you eat it. How soon we forget where we came from.....Just popping down to the super market dear!!!!hahahahahahahaaaa. Give me ten pounds in my pocket and a farm and get rid of these moronic snobs out of Cyprus.......for fucks sake.....

Thank you for admitting the settlers carry middle-age traditions with them. Perhaps you should go in Karpaz and learn how to do it yourself. Perhaps you should join them for lunch too.

As for curing meat in the sun perhaps you should learn some chemistry as to what is done to it prior to that, like for example soacking it in wine and smoking it on fire.

Oh and another thing:As soon as flies get on that meat, it's finished, the process of drying the meat was unsuccessful. Better throw it away


Why do you all get fanatic when we point your barbaric ethics and roots. Why the same reaction when we point you truths concerning your ilk like the above and the Armenian genocide? Do you reject your OWNSELVES?

You are digging yourself in deeper and deeper with your ignorance. Every thing you do is from the middle ages you pranit. It really is a Greek trait you know, this arrogance. The number of times I have heard people say that you guys think you are better than everyone else is amazing. I usually defend you but I am beginning to see they are right. What a burk you are to try and distance yourself from the ape you really are hahahahahahahahaha. The worst kind as well. The type that doesn't even know it is an ape. The conscious mind seems not to have developed in you.


And your stupid comment above about why I did not save the children in 1974 goes a long way to proving that. Want to ask any more stupid questions

blah blah blah lot of rhetoric, blah blah blah a lot of inferiority complexes, blah blah blah a lot of incoherence, blah blah blah calling my question stupid.

Hey Zany listen, here's the answer to my question:YOU CARE LESS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN whatever you consider TURKISH. For this reason alone you are GLAD the GC children were ethnically cleansed and deprived their childhood neighborhoods. You are even more GLAD to see Anatolian settler children taking up their place.

Get lost you hypocrite who you think you are kidding?

What a load of bollocks.....You really are swimming in it mate On that assumption that you are making then it must be true that you are glad that me and all the other children were ethnically cleans from our country by your murdering hoards. You make no sense at all and you know it...Talk about rub some bullshit into your arse to save it...Stop talking shit and telling me what I think you moron....

[zan]

Zan wrote:

"All over the Greek islands there are Muslim Greeks but it seems not a single Turk. Funny that"

Wrong, very wrong! I have been there several times. They are not simply Moslem, they are Turkish and they say so. But they also live well, as well as the rest of the people on each island. Most are on Rodos and Kos, I have not come across any on other islands, and quite a few of the ones I talked to have businesses on mainland Turkey too, mostly tourist oriented business. If they had any problems living where they do they would have packed up and left, but they stay put.

There are many cases of cutting out the Turkish Nikitas and when I get the time I will fish them out for you. If you have any decency you will research it yourself. The same thing is happening in Cyprus with intent. We are not just another minority OK!. We are partners in the formation of the very first republic on the island. OH! And we haven't left the island either....That's the way we are...Would you say we have had it easy

You were. You are not any longer. By the minute you created TRashNcan KickKickTheCarnival you are history. The same goes for the minute you tried to change the demographics on our expense by importing thousands of Anatolian settlers.

Kaput.

You did it first with the destruction of the Zurich agreement through the Akritas Plan mate and well you know that too!......It was not my president that said that the Zurich agreement was defunct but your Makarios....Illegally I might add...But that is what the Akritas Plan was all about anyway......

[zan]

My dear Halil , I understand the expressed wish of the T/Cs to live in peace in a unified island with their compatriots as shown by the majority votes cast for the AP . I opposed the AP , and I assure you I was not in any way influenced by the ROC recommendations to vote No.
On this forum I expressed my misapprehension at a plan that would allow 50 % of Cypriot Police stations to be flying the Greek flag and the same amount flying the Turkish flag. Such divisionist acts would ensure the permanent division of our island .You know me well enough , I'm a committed Cypriot who wholeheartedly supports our Cypriot nations' independence from the two foreign countries that I consider as the cause of all our problems. The AP was NOT a unifying plan but I believe it was a plan that would eventually break down and lead to more conflict amongst our people. I'm sure that you must appreciate that real concerns of the Cypriot people must be addressed and not ignored. I believe the ROC is NOT doing enough to bring our two peoples together and I m confident that should they concentrate on unified policies rather than political "non-realities " and should the T/C leadership also do so , a solution would be feasible in the very near future.
Our people also must be encouraged by the state and our leaders to understand each others concerns and fears for the future.I would have no hesitation in casting my vote for a T/C president who represented the entire community and was committed to Cyprus's independence.

You think they DON'T KNOW IT Miltiades?
The hell they know the Anan Plan would just legalise their partition dreams. It makes me sick hearing all those hypocrites saying "we voted yes to a unification Plan". Some very few TCs thought it was a unification plan and voted for it for that reason.

The rest knew exactly what it was. A PARTITION PLAN LEGALISING THE STEALING OF OUR LANDS AND PROPERTIES.

And where was your president when it was being set up big boy.....Playing games and trying to trick the whole community.....{Perhaps if he had done his job properly it would have evolved into something workable......You steal our lives and you talk about property...What a crock of shit you really are.

[DT.]

Just to satisfy my own curiosity then, judging by the comments here, we could say that the attitude of the majority in the north is that TC's would prefer to retain their TC culture, not be assimilated into the mainlander one and would prefer anyone who is not married to a TC to return in case of a solution with reimbursment

Should I add anyone who is 2nd or 3rd generation as well?

[T_C]

And what about the lands that were looted and stolen from us by EOKA? The GCs at the time refused to give us back these properties since "whats taken with blood cannot be given back" and they ended up "belonging" to the RoC....do those particular lands (taken before 74) still belong to TCs?

I very much doubt they do since the RoC probably has documents stating those lands belong to GCs, when in reality they were stolen!

[Nikitas]

TC,

The only time I heard that "we won it with our blood...." line was a Turkish lady from Turkey living in the Greek Cypriot village of Lysi in an interview on TV.

How could land be stolen from you if you have valid title registered in the Land Registry? You get a court order ordering specific delivery of your land and you get it back. There are regulations since 1974, the residence requirement, that you should be in the RoC six months etc. There are even cases where refugees from the north were kicked out to deliver houses to their original Turkish Cypriot owners. In cases where land was expropriated for public projects there is compensation paid on par with all others- ie Turkish and Greek Cypriot land ownerds get the same amount of compensation per square meter. So where is the stealing?

[T_C]

Makarios usurped all power in spite of the bi-communal nature of the constitution. He presented himself on the world stage as a smiling priest-statesman, the constitutional head of Cyprus, while at home he persecuted the Turks and divested them of their constitutional and human rights. The injustices done to the Turks for the following eleven years or so were myriad. Many of them either abandoned their homes and properties, or were driven out of them, and had to take refuge in the refugee camps in the Turkish enclave of Nicosia. There were some twenty-four thousand of them. Their plight and cries of anguish went unheeded. When some of them from Ormorphita, a suburb of Nicosia, wanted to take the risk of going back to their looted homes the response from the Greek side transmitted through the local Greek Press was historic, "what is taken after bloodshed is not given back." Ironically, the blood in question was that of the defenceless Turkish Cypriot residents of Ormorphita. It was to remain a ghost town for eleven years until liberated by the Turkish Peace Force in August, 1974.

Besides physical and political persecution the Turks also suffered economic persecution. For example, near Kyrenia the Greeks grabbed the commercial fruit and vegetable garden of a Turkish peasant and cut down the trees to set up a military barrack there, turning it into a parched and barren land. In contrast the Greek-owned gardens around remained green and untouched. The Turkish owner got not a penny of compensation. Again, when the new Kyrenia-Nicosia road was being built, parts of the fields through which the road passed were unceremoniously confiscated. The Turkish peasants who lost chunks of their fields and livelihoods in this way got no compensation at all, while their Greek counterparts were promptly and fully compensated. It was useless for the Turks to protest, as they could get no redress.

In his own country the Turkish Cypriot was less than a foreigner: the Turk had far fewer rights, like those of life, limb, property. It was the active national policy of the Makarios's Administration to deprive Turks of their lands by any means, fair or foul. It is an indication of the Greek sense of justice and compatriotship that some unscrupulous foreigners were even encouraged to (harass Turkish villagers living in Greek-held areas in order to buy off their lands. Any foreigner who succeeded in that would win immediate favour with the Makarios regime. The Turks, who have always been largely an agricultural Community living off the land, have traditionally owned a high proportion of land in Cyprus, and this was a sty in the eye for the Greeks claiming Cyprus to be Greek. Any Greek who wanted to sell his land or house to a Turk would incur the wrath of the Greek Authorities. Such a transaction would not be sanctioned by the Greek-run Land Registration Department, which would refuse to issue a deed of title, an odd behaviour indeed by those proclaiming to be the Government of Cyprus.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... 01976.html

The same thing happened to my aunt Nikitas. They left Aleftora before EOKA raided and looted their village. Now her home is rented to a GC who lives abroad, not even a refugee . If the house still belongs to my aunt how comes they are able to rent the house..and whos renting it out??

[T_C]

By the way...I'm not using the above to justify the stealing of your own properties. I'm just saying that if we are going to have justice then it has to include ALL injustices to the Cypriots and not just the ones in 74!

[EPSILON]

I'm Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot. Whenever I'm in Turkey and am asked my origin I reply I'm Turkish from Cyprus to which the Turk responds with "oh you are Kibrisli" meaning you are Cypriot. This is a clear indications that our cousins on the mainland see us as a different race, a different type of Turk.

I'm proud of my culture and my Cypriotness. This does not mean I'm denying my Turkish connection.

I have saw some of the postings in this certain forum, I choosed to reply and express my opinion on the subject on this certain one which looks to be muxh more soft than some others like these sent by Eric.

I consider that we have mixed up two different things here.

The origin of Gcs in relation with mainland Greeks is absulutely a different thing than the origin of Tcs and their relation with mainland Turkey.

Many of Tcs may feel and they are different than these of mainland Turkey since many of them are not coming directly from the Turkish origin.When Ottomans were in Cyprus many pure or "clever" Greeks, Manorites and other small minorities decided to became mouslims and follow Ottomans culture for the simple reason of survival.Employment in public sector, avoiding killings an daily problems with the Ottoman authority.

Tcs themelves were shelters came in Cyprus with the Ottoman occupation of the Island and the others , as above, added to their population afterwards.

It must be underlined on the other hand that Greece has never invated or occupied Cyprus and therefore Gcs are not Greeks because of any military or political force but because Cyprus was part of the Hellenic world as mainland Greece is (and of course some today's Turkey territory)

In reconsiliation I can say that Gcs are Greeks without any question (in many cases much better Greeks than these in mainland) but Tcs are not coming from so clear routes in relation to mainland Turkey.

Above just to have a better picture and not mix up the two Ethicities and their routes.

[Nikitas]

Tc,

The extract you posted comes in direct conflict with experience. Relatives who cultivated Turkish Cypriot land near Peristerona found the Turkish Cypriot owners and paid them rent for the land between 1963 and 1967 and after that the Turkish Cypriots could come and cultivate the land themselves. No land was ever confiscated permanently. I am sure that there were many instances of injustice like the military camp etc. But to the extent that today the owners cannot reclaim their land or compensation? What stops these people seeking compnesation now? Others have and they succeded in getting their land back.

Omorfita is a special case. You have to go back to the 50s to understand that situation.

Why does your aunt not apply to the Turkish Cypriot Property Trustee to have her land returned to her? If the original refugee allocated the land is absent she has the right to have it returned. The only condition is that she must resided in the RoC for six months.

Justice over the property issue is going to be a hard slog. It could be minimised with some territorial adjustment, like returning Famagusta, Morphou and surrounding areas, that would rehouse more than half of the displaced people. But that is not likely to happen since the emphasis now is to prove who is most able to drive a hard bargain.