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[zan]

It's fine zan. You are entitled to have a say, but this doesn't mean that we must agree on everything nor does it mean that we are not on the same side just because we disagree on something.

It might seem this way but I'm NOT ashamed of my Turkishness IN THE SLIGHTEST! Given the choice I'd still choose to be a TC and I think I have made that clear in my posts from day one.

Saying that theres just no denying that the TCs have a 500 year gap in their history when compared to the Turks from Turkey. We can't just ignore this and doing so causes resentment towards those (ATCA&Co) trying to deny me this part of my history. In the 500 years we've been in Cyprus we've evolved with the rest of the people living here...this is why we are even visually different than the mainlanders. This is the reason why TCs and GCs have the exact same "style" of doing certain things. Even the little things like how they maintain their gardens are the same. I don't think any nationalist has had any contact with GCs other than on forums. If they were to visit the South then they would be SHOCKED (as I was) if they saw how similar we are. There really isn't no point denying this because it's there for all to see if people want to look hard enough.

Sorry but I am not stupid enough to fall for the GCs cries of "just Cypriot" nor am I stupid enough to fall for the Turks' "just Turk" bullshit!

The Turks don't even care about the Cypriot part of our identity and it's obvious from our own nationalists. If for instance Turkey was to get legal rights to Cyprus do you think she would think twice about bulldozing parts of Karpaz to turn into holiday camp just because it has sentimental value to the Turkish Cypriots?

This is what I mean...the Turks (through no fault of their own) cannot maintain our "distinctness" nor can they comprehend the Cypriot part of our identity.

I'm not suggesting that we get rid of them all, but we MUST ensure that nothing endangers our identity or our traditions. I mean imagine taking a whole village from Hatay and moving them to the mountains of Trabzon. CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE how the Karadenizliler would react!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Even though they are Turks and even from the same country I can assure you that the Trabzonlular would reign fire on the new arrivals!!!!!

Again, I agree with you 100%. That is why I always put the Cypriot part after the Turkish part The problem is there mate and how we deal with it is the critical point. The GCs seem to think that they are the answer and with that comes the removal of our rights that came with the Zurich agreement and probably the removal of the Turkish part in our title. All over the Greek islands there are Muslim Greeks but it seems not a single Turk. Funny that......You are right that we are caught in the middle but the ones that piss me off the most are the ones that think I am totally stupid to fall for their, as you say, "Cypriot" shit. Have they ever watched "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". The child catcher at large...

[utu]

Zan,

So you think that any attempt at reconciliation is doomed to failure?

[Pyrpolizer]

T_C have you worked or know any second generation settlers who were born and educated here, they are no different from us. Imagine what their children will be like. The first generation settlers although not Turkeys elite or best educated are hard working (a country needs a working force to ensure development) and in time will adapt to our culture. This scares the GCs senseless as they will be faced with a TRNC closer to Turkey than ever before but by then it will be too late and they will have made the same mistakes that lead up to 1974.

VP
When was the last time you went to a school in North Cyprus? Do you know the proportion of settlers kids to genuine TC children at schools? I suggest you visit a school or ask some TC teacher what the situation is..
How are they going to adopt to our culture when there is MORE of them than us?? Stop kidding yourself...They are systematically destroying our culture on daily basis..

Yagmurdan kacarken doluya tutulduk

I have children in state schools and my neighbours are teachers, they confirm that the % is high but they the second generation are gradually changing as the majoirty of teachers are TC.

Why don't you tell us how high this % is?? So far we were hearing bullshit from many TCs in this forum telling us we are just talking propaganda, and there are only a few settlers the rest are either students or seasonal workers...

IT IS 60% SETTLERS 40% TCs ISN'T IT?

[zan]

T_C have you worked or know any second generation settlers who were born and educated here, they are no different from us. Imagine what their children will be like. The first generation settlers although not Turkeys elite or best educated are hard working (a country needs a working force to ensure development) and in time will adapt to our culture. This scares the GCs senseless as they will be faced with a TRNC closer to Turkey than ever before but by then it will be too late and they will have made the same mistakes that lead up to 1974.

For the 'trnc' to be closer to Turkey this means is YOU who will adapt to the settler mentality not the settlers to yours. This means the settlers will outnumber you or drive most of you out of Cyprus.

Of course there is always the comfort of inventing Zan type excuses.Like watching Turkish settler boys playing barefoot in his old neighborhood and imagining his life started all over again, from where he left it some 50 years ago.

Sorry Pyro but I have not got that Greek trait that you seem to have...When I see a small child I want to protect it not stick it in the ground and cover it over with earth because it does not fit into my political ideal......That is the difference between you and me.

[utu]

Anatolian Settlers would bring in Anatolian attitudes, and thus dilute the Turkish Cypriot character. Similarities in Language would noty change this fact.

[Pyrpolizer]

Would you protect it if it was a GC refugee child Zan?

[Pyrpolizer]

Would you protect that child if it was the child of the GC fanatic who drove you out of your home in the 60s Zan??

What a hypocrite you are...

[T_C]

Zan,

So you think that any attempt at reconciliation is doomed to failure?

It would appear that way...but this is only because the wound has festered for 40 years...It seems irreversible but I reckon we still have another shot or two.

If another 40 years passes then gangrene will surely set in though

[Pyrpolizer]

It's fine zan. You are entitled to have a say, but this doesn't mean that we must agree on everything nor does it mean that we are not on the same side just because we disagree on something.

It might seem this way but I'm NOT ashamed of my Turkishness IN THE SLIGHTEST! Given the choice I'd still choose to be a TC and I think I have made that clear in my posts from day one.

Saying that theres just no denying that the TCs have a 500 year gap in their history when compared to the Turks from Turkey. We can't just ignore this and doing so causes resentment towards those (ATCA&Co) trying to deny me this part of my history. In the 500 years we've been in Cyprus we've evolved with the rest of the people living here...this is why we are even visually different than the mainlanders. This is the reason why TCs and GCs have the exact same "style" of doing certain things. Even the little things like how they maintain their gardens are the same. I don't think any nationalist has had any contact with GCs other than on forums. If they were to visit the South then they would be SHOCKED (as I was) if they saw how similar we are. There really isn't no point denying this because it's there for all to see if people want to look hard enough.

Sorry but I am not stupid enough to fall for the GCs cries of "just Cypriot" nor am I stupid enough to fall for the Turks' "just Turk" bullshit!

The Turks don't even care about the Cypriot part of our identity and it's obvious from our own nationalists. If for instance Turkey was to get legal rights to Cyprus do you think she would think twice about bulldozing parts of Karpaz to turn into holiday camp just because it has sentimental value to the Turkish Cypriots?

This is what I mean...the Turks (through no fault of their own) cannot maintain our "distinctness" nor can they comprehend the Cypriot part of our identity.

I'm not suggesting that we get rid of them all, but we MUST ensure that nothing endangers our identity or our traditions. I mean imagine taking a whole village from Hatay and moving them to the mountains of Trabzon. CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE how the Karadenizliler would react!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Even though they are Turks and even from the same country I can assure you that the Trabzonlular would reign fire on the new arrivals!!!!!

Again, I agree with you 100%. That is why I always put the Cypriot part after the Turkish part The problem is there mate and how we deal with it is the critical point. The GCs seem to think that they are the answer and with that comes the removal of our rights that came with the Zurich agreement and probably the removal of the Turkish part in our title. All over the Greek islands there are Muslim Greeks but it seems not a single Turk. Funny that......You are right that we are caught in the middle but the ones that piss me off the most are the ones that think I am totally stupid to fall for their, as you say, "Cypriot" shit. Have they ever watched "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". The child catcher at large...

I heard this argument so many times that I am wondering whether those who repeat it are either a)stupid themselves or b)they have a totally stupid audience or c)they are just staging a theatrical play.

Zan stick it deep into your head. Both you and your Co like Erika:This only Cypriot thing is promoted by the leftists both GCs and TCs, and some other small groups. The majority of Gcs things of you as TURKS. The only difference they see in you and the settlers is they are TRASH as well.

So stop fighting with imaginary ghosts.

[denizaksulu]

zan you really have to see it for yourself man. You only have to go see the Turk areas and then go to the TC areas and youll see the HUGE difference between Turk & TC.

I have seen it T_C and please don't think that I am having a go at you. I went there in 2000 and visited the poor sector of Lefcosia where my mothers side of the family is from and where we lived. My brother in-law said that it was not really safe to go there but what I saw made me smile and weep at the same time. The children that were running around looked just like me in some of my old black and white pictures. We were a poor family too. My Nenes house was gone but the old iron gate was still, just about hanging from its hinges. A massive fig had taken over. All I could think was..."There but for the grace of god go I". We seem so eager to forget where we came from and it sometimes saddens me. Other times I am as bad as the others. These people will change and they will better themselves. Some will rot where they are but others will flourish. It does make me laugh when I hear farm boy Cypriots suddenly lording it up. A little while back we were no better than any peasant that lived anywhere in the world....Now we are the most educated and most sophisticated people in the world......Don't make me laugh.....

I have decided that I will not run away from things that make me uncomfortable T_C.......It is our problem and that goes for all Cypriots be it GC or TC and we have to deal with it....No more ethnic cleansing.

Thats a touching story but unfortunately has nothing to do with what TC is telling you. Why are you trying to patronise people that have genuine issues with the settlers into making them think that "they're just being a little silly". Iceman, Halil, Deniz, TC do not feel that they are the same as these people. WHy is it so important to you to gloss over this difference?

They are not different in any way whatsoever. They might think they are but if they sit down and think thoroughly where from and how they came to be in Cyprus they will realise that they are not different at all.

Now you tell us why the 2nd/3rd generation GCs who live outside of Cyprus are no different to the GCs in Cyprus and this TCs who think they are different ot the Turks from Turkey can tell us why the TCs living outside of Cyprus are no different to the TCs living in the TRNC.

Ericdayi, if you practiced what you preach, seriously and logically, your conclusion might surprise even yourself. Can you explain all the fair haired , blue eyed TCs ? Or the non-Turkish speaking Turks of a generation ago . Do they bear any similarity to mainland Turks? Please enlighten us. These are questios which I keep asking myself.