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[Get Real!]

No one is trying to make u feel ashamed either my friens. If 80% of your own people have a problem with them then somethings obviously not right. They have the power to change the place zan and they are! Its nothing like the Uk! The Brits are not a minority and they are not leaving the UK in huge numbers. The TCs are.

You really must see for yourself zan.

You've been cursed by the GCs to always be a minority no matter where you go...

[T_C]

I agree zan but im thinking ahead. If more and more TCs leave and more and more Turks come Cyprus will definately lose its Cypriot touch. We musnt let that happen under no circumstances. On one end were fighting for our Turkishness and our Cypriotness on the other. We cannot give up or sell out either. Thats all im saying.

[zan]

I agree zan but im thinking ahead. If more and more TCs leave and more and more Turks come Cyprus will definately lose its Cypriot touch. We musnt let that happen under no circumstances. On one end were fighting for our Turkishness and our Cypriotness on the other. We cannot give up or sell out either. Thats all im saying.

I understand what you are saying gardas! A lot of TCs are buying homes in the TRNC/KKTC and although not fully moved out there they have plans to. With the hope of work, families too will move back. Young families. They have had nowhere to call home up until recently. I am gladdened of what I see of the young now days. They are more Turkish Cypriot than I ever was. Give them jobs and watch them go.

[DT.]

zan you really have to see it for yourself man. You only have to go see the Turk areas and then go to the TC areas and youll see the HUGE difference between Turk & TC.

I have seen it T_C and please don't think that I am having a go at you. I went there in 2000 and visited the poor sector of Lefcosia where my mothers side of the family is from and where we lived. My brother in-law said that it was not really safe to go there but what I saw made me smile and weep at the same time. The children that were running around looked just like me in some of my old black and white pictures. We were a poor family too. My Nenes house was gone but the old iron gate was still, just about hanging from its hinges. A massive fig had taken over. All I could think was..."There but for the grace of god go I". We seem so eager to forget where we came from and it sometimes saddens me. Other times I am as bad as the others. These people will change and they will better themselves. Some will rot where they are but others will flourish. It does make me laugh when I hear farm boy Cypriots suddenly lording it up. A little while back we were no better than any peasant that lived anywhere in the world....Now we are the most educated and most sophisticated people in the world......Don't make me laugh.....

I have decided that I will not run away from things that make me uncomfortable T_C.......It is our problem and that goes for all Cypriots be it GC or TC and we have to deal with it....No more ethnic cleansing.

Thats a touching story but unfortunately has nothing to do with what TC is telling you. Why are you trying to patronise people that have genuine issues with the settlers into making them think that "they're just being a little silly". Iceman, Halil, Deniz, TC do not feel that they are the same as these people. WHy is it so important to you to gloss over this difference?

[Eric dayi]

zan you really have to see it for yourself man. You only have to go see the Turk areas and then go to the TC areas and youll see the HUGE difference between Turk & TC.

I have seen it T_C and please don't think that I am having a go at you. I went there in 2000 and visited the poor sector of Lefcosia where my mothers side of the family is from and where we lived. My brother in-law said that it was not really safe to go there but what I saw made me smile and weep at the same time. The children that were running around looked just like me in some of my old black and white pictures. We were a poor family too. My Nenes house was gone but the old iron gate was still, just about hanging from its hinges. A massive fig had taken over. All I could think was..."There but for the grace of god go I". We seem so eager to forget where we came from and it sometimes saddens me. Other times I am as bad as the others. These people will change and they will better themselves. Some will rot where they are but others will flourish. It does make me laugh when I hear farm boy Cypriots suddenly lording it up. A little while back we were no better than any peasant that lived anywhere in the world....Now we are the most educated and most sophisticated people in the world......Don't make me laugh.....

I have decided that I will not run away from things that make me uncomfortable T_C.......It is our problem and that goes for all Cypriots be it GC or TC and we have to deal with it....No more ethnic cleansing.

Thats a touching story but unfortunately has nothing to do with what TC is telling you. Why are you trying to patronise people that have genuine issues with the settlers into making them think that "they're just being a little silly". Iceman, Halil, Deniz, TC do not feel that they are the same as these people. WHy is it so important to you to gloss over this difference?

They are not different in any way whatsoever. They might think they are but if they sit down and think thoroughly where from and how they came to be in Cyprus they will realise that they are not different at all.

Now you tell us why the 2nd/3rd generation GCs who live outside of Cyprus are no different to the GCs in Cyprus and this TCs who think they are different ot the Turks from Turkey can tell us why the TCs living outside of Cyprus are no different to the TCs living in the TRNC.

[T_C]

If I were to put 10 people infront of you and ask you to point out the mainlanders I BET YOU MY LIFE you could easily do it! Actually anyone up for the challange?

[T_C]

Ok Eric well how about we move some Turks to the USA and see how similar they are after 5 CENTURIES of living in a different country.

[zan]

zan you really have to see it for yourself man. You only have to go see the Turk areas and then go to the TC areas and youll see the HUGE difference between Turk & TC.

I have seen it T_C and please don't think that I am having a go at you. I went there in 2000 and visited the poor sector of Lefcosia where my mothers side of the family is from and where we lived. My brother in-law said that it was not really safe to go there but what I saw made me smile and weep at the same time. The children that were running around looked just like me in some of my old black and white pictures. We were a poor family too. My Nenes house was gone but the old iron gate was still, just about hanging from its hinges. A massive fig had taken over. All I could think was..."There but for the grace of god go I". We seem so eager to forget where we came from and it sometimes saddens me. Other times I am as bad as the others. These people will change and they will better themselves. Some will rot where they are but others will flourish. It does make me laugh when I hear farm boy Cypriots suddenly lording it up. A little while back we were no better than any peasant that lived anywhere in the world....Now we are the most educated and most sophisticated people in the world......Don't make me laugh.....

I have decided that I will not run away from things that make me uncomfortable T_C.......It is our problem and that goes for all Cypriots be it GC or TC and we have to deal with it....No more ethnic cleansing.

Thats a touching story but unfortunately has nothing to do with what TC is telling you. Why are you trying to patronise people that have genuine issues with the settlers into making them think that "they're just being a little silly". Iceman, Halil, Deniz, TC do not feel that they are the same as these people. WHy is it so important to you to gloss over this difference?

DT taking over GRs role I see. It seems to have worked when I said that you should fire GR You are clearly trying to drive a wedge between us with lies. I said nothing that was patronising. I just said how I feel and have no problem with them saying how they feel. Of course you cannot want to see that but GR would have done a better job. I am sorry...You should give him his job back. I have not made their issues any less important by what I wrote and you know it.


Trying to show GR how its done eh!!!! GR take note....DT failed as well.

Iceman, T_C, Halil and all the TCs...Make yourselves heard what ever you think.......I might argue against it but it is your right....You know the one that DT keeps telling us about.....It does not mean that I have to fight you or hate you. I started posting on ATCA two years ago and said the same thing then. Speak your mind...It is your right.

[T_C]

It's fine zan. You are entitled to have a say, but this doesn't mean that we must agree on everything nor does it mean that we are not on the same side just because we disagree on something.

It might seem this way but I'm NOT ashamed of my Turkishness IN THE SLIGHTEST! Given the choice I'd still choose to be a TC and I think I have made that clear in my posts from day one.

Saying that theres just no denying that the TCs have a 500 year gap in their history when compared to the Turks from Turkey. We can't just ignore this and doing so causes resentment towards those (ATCA&Co) trying to deny me this part of my history. In the 500 years we've been in Cyprus we've evolved with the rest of the people living here...this is why we are even visually different than the mainlanders. This is the reason why TCs and GCs have the exact same "style" of doing certain things. Even the little things like how they maintain their gardens are the same. I don't think any nationalist has had any contact with GCs other than on forums. If they were to visit the South then they would be SHOCKED (as I was) if they saw how similar we are. There really isn't no point denying this because it's there for all to see if people want to look hard enough.

Sorry but I am not stupid enough to fall for the GCs cries of "just Cypriot" nor am I stupid enough to fall for the Turks' "just Turk" bullshit!

The Turks don't even care about the Cypriot part of our identity and it's obvious from our own nationalists. If for instance Turkey was to get legal rights to Cyprus do you think she would think twice about bulldozing parts of Karpaz to turn into holiday camp just because it has sentimental value to the Turkish Cypriots?

This is what I mean...the Turks (through no fault of their own) cannot maintain our "distinctness" nor can they comprehend the Cypriot part of our identity.

I'm not suggesting that we get rid of them all, but we MUST ensure that nothing endangers our identity or our traditions. I mean imagine taking a whole village from Hatay and moving them to the mountains of Trabzon. CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE how the Karadenizliler would react!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Even though they are Turks and even from the same country I can assure you that the Trabzonlular would reign fire on the new arrivals!!!!!

[Viewpoint]

T_C have you worked or know any second generation settlers who were born and educated here, they are no different from us. Imagine what their children will be like. The first generation settlers although not Turkeys elite or best educated are hard working (a country needs a working force to ensure development) and in time will adapt to our culture. This scares the GCs senseless as they will be faced with a TRNC closer to Turkey than ever before but by then it will be too late and they will have made the same mistakes that lead up to 1974.