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[DT.]

Of course Morphou would have been returned had we accepted the Plan. Now, Morphou has been lost for ever.

Nikitas wrote

So far no one on this forum or elsewhere has answered these simple questions- if under the new nation foreseen by the Annan plan one component state decided to break away and declare unilateral independence what would be the status of the other component state? How would that affect membership in international organizations and treaty obligations? This is what the USA now realises and has changed its tune about the plan.

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"Cyprus is an independent state in the form of an indissoluble partnership, with a federal government and two equal constituent states, the Greek Cypriot State and the Turkish Cypriot Sate. Cyprus is a member of the United Nations and has a single international legal personality and sovereignty. The United Cyprus Republic is organised under its Constitution in accordance with the basic principles of rule of law, democracy, representative republican government, political equality, bi-zonality, and the equal status of the constituent states".

WHat if the TC state decides to break away and claim self determination? You will be left with 2 equally reognised political entities. We get the GC state and they get the tc state with full recognition from day1. How can you not see that?

If you're reffering to the consitution not allowing for a breakaway then neither did the Zurich agreement allow for it but there we go. The only difference would be you'd be in a weaker position negotiating with turkey cause you wouldn't even have the recognition hand to play.

[Pyrpolizer]

Zan,

I am old enough to be cynical. My teachers at school in Holloway London had told me that happens, you grow cynical as you get older. Now I know.

From my point of view it is clear that everyone has a hidden agenda. Turkey professes care for the welfare of the Turkish Cypriots, but its actions say otherwise. There was a Turkish plan just as bad as the Akritas, the KIP plan to force Turkish Cypriots to exclude all others from their affairs. I read about it from documents submitted to the British Parliament. It was then I understood the reason for the attacks on our area in Nicosia in 1958.

Developments since 1974 show the true intents of Turkey. The area is under the real control of the army. As for Greece, it supposefly cares for the Greek Cypriots and the only thing it does these days is to exalt Cypriot independence, ie dont call us we'll call you.

In 1974 I believe, but cannot yet prove, that the deal was double union. The unexpected resistance by the Greek Cypriots to the coup, the fall of the junta due to the mutiny of one Greek division commander in Greece (General Davos), forced the junta to resign. The plan collapsed and Turkey grabbed a chance to implement Attila II. The one man who can verify this view, the top junta man is in jail and refuses to talk. The Parliamentary findings known as the Cyprus File are confidential and locked away.

After 1974 there was another unforeseen development. The Greek Cypriot economic miracle which changed the game, Cypriots did not need Greece after all. Till we get to the EU accession which changes things yet again.

Against this background it is natural for Greek Cypriots to have their own hidden agenda. The primary goal being survival on the island as a community. After that night in Burgenstock, listening to the statements made by each side it was obvious that the above are valid conclusions. So my point is not one of accept it because this is the way it is. It is more to undersand the hidden agendas everyone has. Until the hidden goals become openly stated desires on the negotiation table we will be treading water.

Absolutely.

[Bananiot]

DT, what if a meteor falls on earth and destroys civilisation ... this is not the way to view things, surely you understand this. By the way, it was our side that went back on its signature in 1963 and look where this has got us.

[Get Real!]

DT, what if a meteor falls on earth and destroys civilisation ... this is not the way to view things, surely you understand this. By the way, it was our side that went back on its signature in 1963 and look where this has got us.

Don't just keep saying that... Prove it!

[Nikitas]

DT said:

"WHat if the TC state decides to break away and claim self determination? You will be left with 2 equally reognised political entities. We get the GC state and they get the tc state with full recognition from day1. How can you not see that? "

Finally I get one point of view on this question. Which raises the point whether in the negotiations leading to a solution this probability should be taken into account. Which makes the territorial issue a lot more important than the Greek Cypriot side has shown so far.

[Bananiot]

I have, GR, many times, but you just keep looking the other way ... You are scared of recognition of the "other state" DT, hung on, because Papadopoulos is doing the his level best to make it happen, without even having "two equal component states".

[Get Real!]

I have, GR, many times, but you just keep looking the other way ...

Yeah right! You just keep denying that the 13 points were a proposal!

[Bananiot]

Oh I see! So this is how you think politics work. You make a proposal and if it sticks all is well!

By the way, why did we need a private army to go along with the proposals?

[Get Real!]

Oh I see! So this is how you think politics work. You make a proposal and if it sticks all is well!

I'll assume you once proposed to your wife... and that did stick or you wouldn't be married... and you certainly look well these days!

By the way, why did we need a private army to go along with the proposals?

Private army? Do tell Bananiot...

[Bananiot]

Never mind about my wife, but you must read about the army. They even held practice sessions by the Presidential Palace, on mount Troodos, just in case the TC's rejected the ... proposition.