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Cyprus on its own over Syria ferry dispute

Postby Eric dayi » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:29 pm

Just in case you haven't seen it or trying to hide it.

To all those who kept quoting Article 541 and claiming that it is Turkey who put embargoes on the TRNC and not the GCs, stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol:

Welcome to the EU "RoC". :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol:

You do realise that this means Girne port is also not illegal, don't you?

Next, Ercan airport. :wink: :wink: :wink:

After that, recognition of the TRNC. :lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol::lol: :lol: :lol:


Cyprus on its own over Syria ferry dispute

By Jean Christou

WITH THE government scrambling to put a stop to the ferry service between Syria and the breakaway Turkish Cypriot regime, reports yesterday suggested Nicosia was on its own and could not expect any help from the EU.

Politis quoted sources at the office of EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn as saying the use of occupied Famagusta port was not illegal under international law and that the issue was a bilateral one between Cyprus and Syria.

In addition, they said the designation of Famagusta port as illegal was a unilateral decision by the Cyprus government after 1974 and could not affect Syria as far as international law was concerned. The EU would not intervene, they said, because neither the EU nor the UN had ever imposed an embargo on ports in the north.

Only direct flights to the north can be considered illegal since the issue is governed by the International Civil Aviation Organisation under the Chicago Convention. The same rules do not apply under maritime law.

Only the issue of trade is applicable as far as the EU is concerned, and that relates to tariffs, not to the actual trading out of the ports in the north.

The reason most foreign ships do not dock in the north is due to the ban imposed by the Cyprus Republic, which would arrest and charge the captain of any vessel who visited the north and went on to dock in Limassol or any other legal port.

Since Limassol is a major port in the region, most foreign ships comply.
In an attempt to persuade Syria to put a stop to the twice-weekly ferry services, the honorary president of socialist EDEK Vassos Lyssarides will fly to Damascus on Saturday as an envoy of the government.

“If everything goes well, I will be in Damascus on October 20,” Lyssarides said.

“These issues need careful handling and the common aim is to lift any negative consequences and to establish the traditionally friendly relations that existed and we believe still exist between Syria and Cyprus,” Lyssarides said.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 3&cat_id=1
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:57 pm

There is international law and then there is the law of the country.

International law are the laws between countries. It is the laws that Turkey violates by occupying part of Cyprus.

Which ports are legal within Cyprus or any country is not something decided by international law, but by the country itself.

So basically Republic of Cyprus, the one and only legal state in Cyprus, can declare any port within its territory as legal port of entry (and everything else is illegal).

It is not the first time that ships from Arab countries bring illegal immigrants to EU with ships that enter the territory of an EU country illegally.

The fact that countries like Turkey and Syria help this illegality to be committed is not new either. Turkey pushes thousands of illegal immigrants through its borders with Greece and Bulgaria into EU every year in an effort to create a problem to EU. The same is what they do in Cyprus. About 9 in 10 of illegal Arab immigrants that arrive to Cyprus do so thought the occupied areas.

Or maybe you expected 1000s of Syrian tourists? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:01 pm

Members having the time may wish to search through these bodies for maritime legal info…

The International Maritime Organization

http://www.imo.org/


THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

http://www.oceanlaw.net/texts/losc.htm
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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:25 pm

Sour grapes are hard to swallow, aren't they? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:31 pm

Eric dayi wrote:Sour grapes are hard to swallow, aren't they? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't jump on the bandwagon too soon Ricco... Jean Christou is not exactly a "legal expert" and I'll bet he didn't even bother to check the two bodies I posted links to before writing his article.
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Postby zan » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:Members having the time may wish to search through these bodies for maritime legal info…

The International Maritime Organization

http://www.imo.org/


THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

http://www.oceanlaw.net/texts/losc.htm


Why don't you give us the relevant parts GR????
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Postby CopperLine » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:02 pm

zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Members having the time may wish to search through these bodies for maritime legal info…

The International Maritime Organization

http://www.imo.org/


THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

http://www.oceanlaw.net/texts/losc.htm


Why don't you give us the relevant parts GR????



Zan,
GR can't give the relevant parts because UNCLOS has got bugger all to do with ferries going in and out of ports, legal or 'illegal'. And neither has the IMO.

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Postby StuartN » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:07 pm

It's RealGit's usual pig-headed arrogance again - He makes himself ridiculous.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:21 pm

Gotcha!

Article 17
RIGHT OF INNOCENT PASSAGE

Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or
land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.

Article 19

MEANING OF INNOCENT PASSAGE

1. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good
order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in
conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the
peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial
sea it engages in any of the following activities:

(a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial
integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other
manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the
Charter of the United Nations;

(d) any act of propaganda aimed at affecting the defence or security of the coastal State;


NB: This is a 400+Kb ASCII text file and I’ve barely read the first few pages… I'll post more as I find relevant bits.
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Postby CopperLine » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:42 pm

GR

Gotcha!


Sorry it took so long to reply to your victorious 'Gotcha' - I couldn't stop rolling around on the floor with laughter ......


GR,
A free word of legal advice for you .... you might want to read your just quoted text again because, although it is not the pertinent piece of law to this case, what it does say contradicts your own argument.

But hell GR, why bother reading the things that you post ?
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