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Cyprus on its own over Syria ferry dispute

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby DT. » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:04 pm

halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but methinks the ferry party has finished. Give it a few days and watch the announcement from Syria.

At least you got a few crossings in :wink:


Do you think this comedy will help ?
it will help to increase the the gap between 2 sides.
Every steps are taking very seriously with people of the TC's.
DT, my dear friend our struggle to be continued.
important for me was what the people of the Syria was thinking. politician might think different . They will understand soon it will not go forever.

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Accept our proposal to open Varosha to its legitimate owners under the UN and have a joint managed Port of Famagusta. Then you can catch a ship to Madagascar if you like.

Why do you hold a city hostage and deserted when it could solve your problems for trade and tourism and would also give back the hard-earned homes of the Varoshiotes?

We're not playing dolls here, you can't just load up a raft wth a few asylum seekers and sail it from Syria to an unrecognised port. Whats wrong with doing it properly?
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Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:07 pm

yeah...how the hell does anyone convince anyone that ethnic cleansing is ok?

I said it before and I will say it again...this embargo thing is brought upon by turkey...take it up with turkey and stop wasting everyones time...

to the syrians...people that live in glass houses should never throw stones...remember golan heights?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:09 pm

DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but methinks the ferry party has finished. Give it a few days and watch the announcement from Syria.

At least you got a few crossings in :wink:


Do you think this comedy will help ?
it will help to increase the the gap between 2 sides.
Every steps are taking very seriously with people of the TC's.
DT, my dear friend our struggle to be continued.
important for me was what the people of the Syria was thinking. politician might think different . They will understand soon it will not go forever.

Image


Accept our proposal to open Varosha to its legitimate owners under the UN and have a joint managed Port of Famagusta. Then you can catch a ship to Madagascar if you like.

Why do you hold a city hostage and deserted when it could solve your problems for trade and tourism and would also give back the hard-earned homes of the Varoshiotes?

We're not playing dolls here, you can't just load up a raft wth a few asylum seekers and sail it from Syria to an unrecognised port. Whats wrong with doing it properly?


You get a city and half a port and we get trade through a port controlled by you? no deal sorry. Although I agree with the return of Maras I and many TCs would never agree under the conditions you have suggested. Lets give back the homes to GCs under our administration share Famagusta and allow us to run Ercan opening it to international flights. Deal?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:13 pm

boomerang wrote:yeah...how the hell does anyone convince anyone that ethnic cleansing is ok?

I said it before and I will say it again...this embargo thing is brought upon by turkey...take it up with turkey and stop wasting everyones time...

to the syrians...people that live in glass houses should never throw stones...remember golan heights?

I endorse this post! Short, sweet, simple... FACTUAL!
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Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:16 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but methinks the ferry party has finished. Give it a few days and watch the announcement from Syria.

At least you got a few crossings in :wink:


Do you think this comedy will help ?
it will help to increase the the gap between 2 sides.
Every steps are taking very seriously with people of the TC's.
DT, my dear friend our struggle to be continued.
important for me was what the people of the Syria was thinking. politician might think different . They will understand soon it will not go forever.

Image


Accept our proposal to open Varosha to its legitimate owners under the UN and have a joint managed Port of Famagusta. Then you can catch a ship to Madagascar if you like.

Why do you hold a city hostage and deserted when it could solve your problems for trade and tourism and would also give back the hard-earned homes of the Varoshiotes?

We're not playing dolls here, you can't just load up a raft wth a few asylum seekers and sail it from Syria to an unrecognised port. Whats wrong with doing it properly?


You get a city and half a port and we get trade through a port controlled by you? no deal sorry. Although I agree with the return of Maras I and many TCs would never agree under the conditions you have suggested. Lets give back the homes to GCs under our administration share Famagusta and allow us to run Ercan opening it to international flights. Deal?


lets get something straight...you are not in any position to make any deals...turkey sealed your future in '74...take it up with them...
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Postby DT. » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:27 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but methinks the ferry party has finished. Give it a few days and watch the announcement from Syria.

At least you got a few crossings in :wink:


Do you think this comedy will help ?
it will help to increase the the gap between 2 sides.
Every steps are taking very seriously with people of the TC's.
DT, my dear friend our struggle to be continued.
important for me was what the people of the Syria was thinking. politician might think different . They will understand soon it will not go forever.

Image


Accept our proposal to open Varosha to its legitimate owners under the UN and have a joint managed Port of Famagusta. Then you can catch a ship to Madagascar if you like.

Why do you hold a city hostage and deserted when it could solve your problems for trade and tourism and would also give back the hard-earned homes of the Varoshiotes?

We're not playing dolls here, you can't just load up a raft wth a few asylum seekers and sail it from Syria to an unrecognised port. Whats wrong with doing it properly?


You get a city and half a port and we get trade through a port controlled by you? no deal sorry. Although I agree with the return of Maras I and many TCs would never agree under the conditions you have suggested. Lets give back the homes to GCs under our administration share Famagusta and allow us to run Ercan opening it to international flights. Deal?


how does a jointly ran port translate in your brainwashed mind as a port ran only by us?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:29 pm

boomerang wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You get a city and half a port and we get trade through a port controlled by you? no deal sorry. Although I agree with the return of Maras I and many TCs would never agree under the conditions you have suggested. Lets give back the homes to GCs under our administration share Famagusta and allow us to run Ercan opening it to international flights. Deal?


lets get something straight...you are not in any position to make any deals...turkey sealed your future in '74...take it up with them...

You're on a roll baby! :D Vips thinks his blackmailing will last forever! :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:31 pm

it's not a voluntary action, it's a reflex action...you have to excuse stiffs that their only aim in life is to suck our precious supply of oxygen...modern day zombies... :lol:
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Postby DT. » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:21 pm

DT. wrote:
halil wrote:
DT. wrote:Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but methinks the ferry party has finished. Give it a few days and watch the announcement from Syria.

At least you got a few crossings in :wink:


Do you think this comedy will help ?
it will help to increase the the gap between 2 sides.
Every steps are taking very seriously with people of the TC's.
DT, my dear friend our struggle to be continued.
important for me was what the people of the Syria was thinking. politician might think different . They will understand soon it will not go forever.

Image


Accept our proposal to open Varosha to its legitimate owners under the UN and have a joint managed Port of Famagusta. Then you can catch a ship to Madagascar if you like.

Why do you hold a city hostage and deserted when it could solve your problems for trade and tourism and would also give back the hard-earned homes of the Varoshiotes?

We're not playing dolls here, you can't just load up a raft wth a few asylum seekers and sail it from Syria to an unrecognised port. Whats wrong with doing it properly?


Halil, I'd appreciate some input on this if you could. WHy do you not think Talat accepted this deal?
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Postby halil » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:26 pm

DT,
have a look before Talat .What was offered and who was rejected ?
this article was published at Turkish Daily News.


IS A PROVISIONAL SOLUTION ON CYPRUS POSSIBLE?

Columnist Sami Kohen comments on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) President Rauf Denktas’s latest proposal for the island. A summary of his column is as follows:


“This week saw an important development on the Cyprus issue when Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) President Rauf Denktas presented a new six-article proposal for the island. After talks organized by United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan ended in failure last month, the negotiations process ground to a halt and Annan’s plan was shelved. Now the Greek Cypriots are eagerly awaiting April 16, when the European Union will open its door to them alone with the signing of their EU accession papers.,

So at this point, Denktas put forward a new proposal, in effect trying to show that the process of finding a resolution hadn’t ended yet and could in fact continue on a new basis with the other side’s cooperation.

The new proposal has two main elements. The first is very important: Turkish Cypriots would give Varosha (Maras) over to Greek Cypriot control to open it to resettlement. With this, Denktas is signaling that he’s ready to give a territorial concession concerning Maras. The second element is about such ‘confidence-building measures’ as providing for free cross-border trade, transportation, circulation, etc. between the sides. In so proposing, the Turkish side is effectively asking the Greek Cypriots to lift their embargos and similar limitations. In sum,

1. Denktas sets aside Annan’s plan completely and instead tries to work out a provisional solution.

2. This provisional solution provides the Greek Cypriots with the chance to return to Varosha, something which they very much want.

3. Besides the prospect of resuscitating the Turkish Cypriot economy, the proposal also aims to win political leverage through a ‘de facto recognition’ of the TRNC.

Denktas and official circles in Ankara think that acceptance of the proposal would soften the atmosphere on the island and reopen the road for dialogue towards a solution. However, both the Greek Cypriots and foreign diplomatic circles think this very unlikely.

The initial reaction of the Greek Cypriot administration shows that this proposal won’t be accepted. It seems Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos will present a package to Denktas working solely to his advantage. The Papadopoulos administration is acting with the confidence that Greek Cyprus will get what it wants on April 16, so there’s no real reason for them to take Denktas’ proposal seriously. Leaders from Ankara and Athens will meet at the Southeastern European Countries’ Cooperation Process summit in Belgrade next week. This meeting might be a possibility to discuss the Cyprus issue again under a new umbrella.

Clearly, however, a provisional solution like the one proposed by Denktas won’t establish a basis for a final resolution. It would be more reasonable and realistic to fold his proposals into the framework of the UN plan, in other words, make them a part of Annan’s proposal.”



The Greek Cypriots prefer their own diplomacy, including offering to jointly run Famagusta Port with the north in exchange for the return of Varosha.Talat rejected the offer.Talat thinks Marash (Varosha) will be talk within the whole frame of the talks.
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