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[Joff]

Here we go, another dinosaur,

Difference is Nikita we weren't kicking the sh1te out of the Germans prior to them invading Europe.
Haven't you got a better analogy?

[hissyfits]

I am also English. What point are you trying to make? That we have no right to debate, discuss or share opinions because we are not Cypriots? Perhaps because we are outsiders looking at both view points and experiences we see a clearer, more unbiased picture? However we can never have total emphathy like true TC and GC who lived through this terrible time.

[Sotos]

unbiased? You killed many of our people when we were fighting you for our freedom and now you have 2 bases on our island and the Turks are your partners in crime.

[StuartN]

Nice quote from the Uk Parliament site...... thanks for the link

'The Greek Cypriot attitude is both sad and foolish. They will never convince the Turkish Cypriots that the massacres did not happen, and until they admit that they did happen, and seek forgiveness, the process of reconciliation cannot begin. There are good people in Southern Cyprus who would be willing to do that, but there are others in powerful positions there who will never admit the truth lest it should undermine the wholly unjustified political position which they have built for the Greek Cypriot Administration in the world'


Of course for 'powerful positions' you could substitute ' on this forum'

And I answered questions on my nationality two years ago.

[Piratis]

Piratis,
What on earth are you talking about ?

parliament.uk url, those things have nothing to do with the UK parliament

That is the URL of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee which is a Committee of the 'lower' chamber of the UK parliament !

www.parliament.uk is the web address of the UK Parliament and www.publications.parliament.uk is the official publications office of Parliament

So who is misleading whom ? I guess you actually meant to say "those things have everything to do with the UK parliament"

- everything/nothing, easy mistake to make, Piratis

Really?

So here is what the UK Parliament says then:

Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 under the most conspicuous circumstances, following the Dr Kissinger inspired coup which was executed by the then Athens junta (see Christopher Hitchens—"The trial of Henry Kissinger"). The western media often attempts to justify Turkey's invasion by claiming that the coup was organised in order to unite Cyprus with Greece. The fact that Turkey was ready to invade Cyprus immediately after the coup confirms that the whole issue was orchestrated in order to bring about the downfall of president Makarios and to open the way for Turkey to invade, using as a pretext its alleged right to interveue under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee.

Following Turkeys double invasions on 20 July and 14 August 1974, the following devastating events took place:

— 200,000 Greek Cypriots were forcibly removed from their homes in the occupied area and made refugees.

— 6,000 Greek Cypriots including many civillians lost their lives.

— 1,000 Greek Cypriot women and young girls were raped. Such was the magnitude of the problem that the government of the Republic Cyprus passed a law to legalise abortion.

— Over 1,500 people including civilians are missing. The youngest was three years of age, the eldest in their nineties. They are still unaccounted for, yet Turkey and its puppet regime refuse to provide any information on their fate. Twelve of the missing are young men from Ayios Amvrosios, the youngest was 16 years of age and the eldest 27.

— 502 churches, chapels and monasteries were vandalised, converted to stables and mosques with priceles icons, wall paintings and artefacts sold to the highest bidder around the world. Our own church of Saint Amvrosios has been stripped bare and converted to a mosque. The unique 12th century church of the monastery of Antifonitis, one of only two of its kind in the world, situated on the mountainside just outside the town, was totally destroyed frescoes were removed and illegally exported to Holland.

— The enclaved Greek Cypriots in the Karpass peninsula numbering 20,000 in 1974 after the invasion, are now less than 500, mainly elderly. Following years of torture, intimidation and violation of their human rights and dignity. It is worth informing the Committee that the enclaved children were for 30 years denied secondary education in the occupied area, and were forced to go to the free areas for further education and were then denied entry back in to the occupied areas to rejoin their families. This deliberate policy was successful for the Turks as the dwindling number of the enclaved shows.

from:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we39.htm

Get your facts straight cooperline. Everybody could write at publications.parliament.uk. What is written there represents the views of those who write them, and not of the UK parliament.

[StuartN]

Piratis,
What on earth are you talking about ?

parliament.uk url, those things have nothing to do with the UK parliament

That is the URL of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee which is a Committee of the 'lower' chamber of the UK parliament !

www.parliament.uk is the web address of the UK Parliament and www.publications.parliament.uk is the official publications office of Parliament

So who is misleading whom ? I guess you actually meant to say "those things have everything to do with the UK parliament"

- everything/nothing, easy mistake to make, Piratis

Really?

So here is what the UK Parliament says then:

Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 under the most conspicuous circumstances, following the Dr Kissinger inspired coup which was executed by the then Athens junta (see Christopher Hitchens—"The trial of Henry Kissinger"). The western media often attempts to justify Turkey's invasion by claiming that the coup was organised in order to unite Cyprus with Greece. The fact that Turkey was ready to invade Cyprus immediately after the coup confirms that the whole issue was orchestrated in order to bring about the downfall of president Makarios and to open the way for Turkey to invade, using as a pretext its alleged right to interveue under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee.

Following Turkeys double invasions on 20 July and 14 August 1974, the following devastating events took place:

— 200,000 Greek Cypriots were forcibly removed from their homes in the occupied area and made refugees.

— 6,000 Greek Cypriots including many civillians lost their lives.

— 1,000 Greek Cypriot women and young girls were raped. Such was the magnitude of the problem that the government of the Republic Cyprus passed a law to legalise abortion.

— Over 1,500 people including civilians are missing. The youngest was three years of age, the eldest in their nineties. They are still unaccounted for, yet Turkey and its puppet regime refuse to provide any information on their fate. Twelve of the missing are young men from Ayios Amvrosios, the youngest was 16 years of age and the eldest 27.

— 502 churches, chapels and monasteries were vandalised, converted to stables and mosques with priceles icons, wall paintings and artefacts sold to the highest bidder around the world. Our own church of Saint Amvrosios has been stripped bare and converted to a mosque. The unique 12th century church of the monastery of Antifonitis, one of only two of its kind in the world, situated on the mountainside just outside the town, was totally destroyed frescoes were removed and illegally exported to Holland.

— The enclaved Greek Cypriots in the Karpass peninsula numbering 20,000 in 1974 after the invasion, are now less than 500, mainly elderly. Following years of torture, intimidation and violation of their human rights and dignity. It is worth informing the Committee that the enclaved children were for 30 years denied secondary education in the occupied area, and were forced to go to the free areas for further education and were then denied entry back in to the occupied areas to rejoin their families. This deliberate policy was successful for the Turks as the dwindling number of the enclaved shows.

from:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we39.htm

Get your facts straight cooperline. Everybody could write at publications.parliament.uk. What is written there represents the views of those who write them, and not of the UK parliament.

Go on then.......

[hissyfits]

You are missing the point sotos, I am certainly not defending the actions future and past of my country and birth place. They have done much to shame the british citizen including their part in the Cyprus problem. However how come the GC's are incapable of owning up to the part they played too?

[Joff]

Sotos, I am married into a GC family, and have spent time on both sides of the Island.
I know horrible things happened in 74 but you cannot ignore the things that happened upto the invasion.
I lost 2 family members in ww2 but i do not hate the people of Germany.

[Nikitas]

Joff,

The British commander of the UN peace force in Cyprus in 1964 stated that during the clashes between the two communities the casualties were about 100 for each side. Hardly kicking the shite. In the British Parliament records you will find something called the KIP plan put in place by the Turkish HIgh Command in 1958 under the command of general of the Turkish Army and its purpose was to promote intercommunal enmity which it did very well between 1958 and 1960.

At a time when the possession of a single shotgun cartridge was punishable by hanging for Greek Cypriots, Turkish civilians found to posses arms were let go and miraculously escaped to Turkey. The British imperial auhtorities actively cultivated what went on. I was here and lived it. The cufews, the withdrawal of police from our area just before the mob attacks. In terms of getting the shite kicked we got plenty of that in the 50s. But that does not change the fact that in a civl war there is no right and wrong side. Invasion and occupation are not the cure to a civl war.

[miltiades]

Piratis,
What on earth are you talking about ?

parliament.uk url, those things have nothing to do with the UK parliament

That is the URL of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee which is a Committee of the 'lower' chamber of the UK parliament !

www.parliament.uk is the web address of the UK Parliament and www.publications.parliament.uk is the official publications office of Parliament

So who is misleading whom ? I guess you actually meant to say "those things have everything to do with the UK parliament"



- everything/nothing, easy mistake to make, Piratis

Really?

So here is what the UK Parliament says then:

Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 under the most conspicuous circumstances, following the Dr Kissinger inspired coup which was executed by the then Athens junta (see Christopher Hitchens—"The trial of Henry Kissinger"). The western media often attempts to justify Turkey's invasion by claiming that the coup was organised in order to unite Cyprus with Greece. The fact that Turkey was ready to invade Cyprus immediately after the coup confirms that the whole issue was orchestrated in order to bring about the downfall of president Makarios and to open the way for Turkey to invade, using as a pretext its alleged right to interveue under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee.

Following Turkeys double invasions on 20 July and 14 August 1974, the following devastating events took place:

— 200,000 Greek Cypriots were forcibly removed from their homes in the occupied area and made refugees.

— 6,000 Greek Cypriots including many civillians lost their lives.

— 1,000 Greek Cypriot women and young girls were raped. Such was the magnitude of the problem that the government of the Republic Cyprus passed a law to legalise abortion.

— Over 1,500 people including civilians are missing. The youngest was three years of age, the eldest in their nineties. They are still unaccounted for, yet Turkey and its puppet regime refuse to provide any information on their fate. Twelve of the missing are young men from Ayios Amvrosios, the youngest was 16 years of age and the eldest 27.

— 502 churches, chapels and monasteries were vandalised, converted to stables and mosques with priceles icons, wall paintings and artefacts sold to the highest bidder around the world. Our own church of Saint Amvrosios has been stripped bare and converted to a mosque. The unique 12th century church of the monastery of Antifonitis, one of only two of its kind in the world, situated on the mountainside just outside the town, was totally destroyed frescoes were removed and illegally exported to Holland.

— The enclaved Greek Cypriots in the Karpass peninsula numbering 20,000 in 1974 after the invasion, are now less than 500, mainly elderly. Following years of torture, intimidation and violation of their human rights and dignity. It is worth informing the Committee that the enclaved children were for 30 years denied secondary education in the occupied area, and were forced to go to the free areas for further education and were then denied entry back in to the occupied areas to rejoin their families. This deliberate policy was successful for the Turks as the dwindling number of the enclaved shows.

from:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we39.htm

Get your facts straight cooperline. Everybody could write at publications.parliament.uk. What is written there represents the views of those who write them, and not of the UK parliament.

Go on then.......

Who let out then mate , its Monday today shouldn't you go back inside !!!