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Postby StuartN » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:53 pm

Piratis wrote:CopperLine, we are the same people that the Turkish invadors found when you first invaded us, and we have been the same for 1000s of years.

Here is how it started:
After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.


Here is how it was right before you came, with our previous rulers:
During the long Lusignan period and the eighty-two years of Venetian control, foreign rulers unquestionably changed the Cypriot way of life, but it was the Cypriot peasant with his Greek religion and Greek culture who withstood all adversity. Throughout the period, almost three centuries, there were two distinct societies, one foreign and one native. The first society consisted primarily of Frankish nobles with their retinues and Italian merchants with their families and followers. The second society, the majority of the population, consisted of Greek Cypriot serfs and laborers. Each of these societies had its own culture, language, and religion. Although a decided effort was made to supplant native customs and beliefs, the effort failed.


Here is what you did to us when you first came:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


And here we are today, despite all we have been through. We are still here and nothing that you do can remove us from our homeland.

(all quotes from your American friends: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html )


All that and no cross breeding - in 3000 years. Remarkable - and well supported with evidence. :wink:
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Postby StuartN » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:08 pm

Piratis wrote:CopperLine, we are the same people that the Turkish invadors found when you first invaded us, and we have been the same for 1000s of years.

Here is how it started:
After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.


Here is how it was right before you came, with our previous rulers:
During the long Lusignan period and the eighty-two years of Venetian control, foreign rulers unquestionably changed the Cypriot way of life, but it was the Cypriot peasant with his Greek religion and Greek culture who withstood all adversity. Throughout the period, almost three centuries, there were two distinct societies, one foreign and one native. The first society consisted primarily of Frankish nobles with their retinues and Italian merchants with their families and followers. The second society, the majority of the population, consisted of Greek Cypriot serfs and laborers. Each of these societies had its own culture, language, and religion. Although a decided effort was made to supplant native customs and beliefs, the effort failed.


Here is what you did to us when you first came:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


And here we are today, despite all we have been through. We are still here and nothing that you do can remove us from our homeland.

(all quotes from your American friends: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html )


Oh ... you missed this bit out (also from your favourite website)

'Human settlements existed on Cyprus as early as 5800 B.C., during the Neolithic Era or New Stone Age. The Neolithic Cypriots' origin is uncertain. Some evidence, including artifacts of Anatolian obsidian, suggests that the setters were related to the peoples of Asia Minor (present-day Turkey). The discovery of copper on the island around 3000 B.C. brought more frequent visits from traders. Trading ships were soon bringing settlers to exploit the mineral wealth'

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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:09 pm

Joff wrote:F**k me, Pass me your rose tinted glasses. I've met enough GC's to realise there will never be solution while there is so many of your stubborn pig headed dinosaurs alive. get you head from up your arse, drag yourself into this decade and stop spouting hatred.
And that is from a neutral point of view. :)


Neutral my ass.

What we hate is the occupation of our land by foreigners. Tell me jeff, do you know anybody that would love those that occupy his country and violate his rights? Maybe the French loved the Nazis? Maybe the Vientameese loved the Americans? Maybe Indians loved the British while you had them as a colony and exploting them?

No my friend. We are not the capitulating slaves you want us to be. We have rights and we will fight until our island is finally liberated.
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Postby hissyfits » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:09 pm

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we45.htm

This is the real reason Turkey invaded.
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:11 pm

Piratis,
Your reply was all very predictable especially everything that didn't actually answer the question I asked. So here it is again :

Who and where is this 'band of brothers' who have lived unvanquished, immune to the ebb and flow of history, true Cypriots through and through for three and a half thousand years ? This is something to be very proud of so do tell us where we can meet them ? And in anticipation of your reply, can you first tell us all how many of these untainted historical virgins there are ?


To repeat, how many are there and where can we meet them ?
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Postby miltiades » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:19 pm

Bizarre !!!
"""" and to convince the world that they, and not the Turkish Cypriots are the injured party. """
I wonder what 200 thousand displaced Cypriots would make of this !!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:20 pm

hissyfits wrote:http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm

This is the real reason Turkey invaded.


No, thats what Michael Stephen wrote. Do a search about him and you will find his crap in every turkish propaganda website.

And just in case you were trying to mislead people by using the parliament.uk url, those things have nothing to do with the UK parliament. Here are some more from the same source:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we39.htm
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Postby Joff » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:20 pm

Pilates,
Sorry mate but your head is further up your arse than I thought, You may need surgery. I read the article that Hissyfit (Thanks) recomended, but it's nothing I haven't read before.
Pilates, I suppose it's all lies and never really happened!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:23 pm

CopperLine wrote:Piratis,
Your reply was all very predictable especially everything that didn't actually answer the question I asked. So here it is again :

Who and where is this 'band of brothers' who have lived unvanquished, immune to the ebb and flow of history, true Cypriots through and through for three and a half thousand years ? This is something to be very proud of so do tell us where we can meet them ? And in anticipation of your reply, can you first tell us all how many of these untainted historical virgins there are ?


To repeat, how many are there and where can we meet them ?


Come to Cyprus (the free part, not the fake one you are trying to create by means of ethnic cleansing) and you will find 10000s of them.
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Postby miltiades » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:24 pm

CopperLine wrote:Piratis,
Your reply was all very predictable especially everything that didn't actually answer the question I asked. So here it is again :

Who and where is this 'band of brothers' who have lived unvanquished, immune to the ebb and flow of history, true Cypriots through and through for three and a half thousand years ? This is something to be very proud of so do tell us where we can meet them ? And in anticipation of your reply, can you first tell us all how many of these untainted historical virgins there are ?


To repeat, how many are there and where can we meet them ?

There is a saying that little education is dangerous , you are a prime example !!
How on earth can you seriously suggest , as you are no doubt inferring , that Cypriots did not exist 3500 years ago .
For your information my forefathers were TRUE Cypriots and before them theirs also. You can easily meet them in numerous historical records , surely you can do that after all the research you seemed to have done on Cuban prosperity !!
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