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THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

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THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

if turkey wanted to it could have taken the whole of the island amigo in 74 it was not planned by turkey greece and britain for them to do that ,

[free_cyprus]

THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

how the feck can you have two armies to serve the same goverment when they call themselves greeks and turks what a load of fecking bollox

[Get Real!]

THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

if turkey wanted to it could have taken the whole of the island amigo in 74 it was not planned by turkey greece and britain for them to do that ,

How is 1974 relevant? WHAT IF TURKEY TODAY OCTOBER 2007, decides to come further south??? You are NOT answering the question!

how the feck can you have two armies to serve the same goverment when they call themselves greeks and turks what a load of fecking bollox

The government of Cyprus doesn't have two armies. Try again!

[free_cyprus]

THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

if turkey wanted to it could have taken the whole of the island amigo in 74 it was not planned by turkey greece and britain for them to do that ,

How is 1974 relevant? WHAT IF TURKEY TODAY OCTOBER 2007, decides to come further south??? You are NOT answering the question!

how the feck can you have two armies to serve the same goverment when they call themselves greeks and turks what a load of fecking bollox

The government of Cyprus doesn't have two armies. Try again!

you want e to answer the question ok well for starters your fecking idiot for askign such a fecking idiotic questions secondly, if they did decide and its not in their interest to wage war on anyone without just couse, then do you think the army cyprus has today will stop them is that waht your trying to tell me cos if it is then your a bigger idiot then i think you are i hope that answers your persistent requirment for you answer

[Get Real!]

THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

if turkey wanted to it could have taken the whole of the island amigo in 74 it was not planned by turkey greece and britain for them to do that ,

How is 1974 relevant? WHAT IF TURKEY TODAY OCTOBER 2007, decides to come further south??? You are NOT answering the question!

how the feck can you have two armies to serve the same goverment when they call themselves greeks and turks what a load of fecking bollox

The government of Cyprus doesn't have two armies. Try again!

you want e to answer the question ok well for starters your fecking idiot for askign such a fecking idiotic questions secondly, if they did decide and its not in their interest to wage war on anyone without just couse, then do you think the army cyprus has today will stop them is that waht your trying to tell me cos if it is then your a bigger idiot then i think you are i hope that answers your persistent requirment for you answer

If the National Guard was to be abolished the Turkish army could just drive a military convoy straight down Ledra street, as an example, to anywhere on the island and wouldn't even need to fire a single shot. Nobody said anything about a war... call it a stroll of a military convoy!

WHAT WILL YOU THEN DO???

[cymart]

Makarios signed an agreement in 1977,a few months before he died in which he and Denktash both accepted that the solution would be a 'Federation' and further more that the amount of territory which would remain under the control of the Turkish Cypriots would take into account their 'security and its viability'
The result is that there will be two separate areas in Cyprus within which the population of the area alloted to each, either the Greek or Turkish community will constitute the majority.For this to occur it also means that there cannot be a return to the pre 1974 situation which would allow everyone to return to the places they lived in previously.
Makarios agreed to this as a major concession after taking into account what had happened in 1974 and also probably after reflecting on mistakes made in the past which had led Cyprus to the situation it was in.He was also given reassurances from abroad,especially the USA that Turkey would then reciprocate by making concrete proposals on which territory it would return to the Greek-Cypriots,but as we all now know,Ankara had another agenda which was to stall the negotiations and colonise the north as part of its plan to consolidate the results of their military action in 1974.
The abscence of a strong government in Turkey encouraged the military to continue with this process until 2003 when Erdogan and the prospects of E.U.negotiations made them reconsider their policy on Cyprus for a couple of years.Had Makarios lived longer,he might have prepared the Greek-Cypriots to accept the reality of what a federal solution would really entail but none of his succesors really approached this issue seriously enough with the result that the politicians fed us on slogans that had no real practical meaning about 'all refugees will return home', our borders are the sea shore of Kyrenia' etc etc.Ultimately most people realised that what they were being told meant nothing and that more than a few politicians were building lucrative careers by peddling false promises about what they could achieve regarding a solution to the Cyprus problem etc.
Popularism and demagoguery still plague the political scene here today with politicians spouting what they think people want to hear and will win them votes, rather than telling them the reality which they already suspect anyway!Unless this issue is dealt with it will be very difficult to gain support and co-operation for any compromise solution from the majority of the population and recent statements by the Bishop of Morphou and Christophias about the looming threat of partition becoming more and more acceptable on both sides unless urgent changes are made to the present situation, but which were then denounced by both Archbishop Chrysostomos and other government supporters,are a perfect example of proof that this mentality still prevails.
Talat also stated publicly after his meeting with the U.N. chief this week that time is running out for a solution but on the other hand,his re-action to what at least appear to be overtures from Papadopoulos to urgently restart negotiations are not encouraging.Whether they were just a manouevre to support his re-election campaign,or the result or recent negative developments for his side which have made him change his tactics is difficult to ascertain at his stage.But what is obvious is that Turkey is in no mood at present to appease the west on any issues and is threatening to invade Iraq after the negative vote against them over the Armenian 1915 massacre bY the U.S. congress.
So it seems that Cyprus may well pay the price once again of international geo-political developments.
Meanwhile,it seems that many people have come to accept that the present situation is perhaps the best second option as the ideal solution which their leadership promised would soon come is not available after all.
The way things are does suit many people here, especially none refugees who consider that it is not worth risking changes which might damage what they see as their own material interests that appear to be well protected by the present status -quo.This is the danger that Christophias and Neophytos referred to and I share their concerns very deeply!

[free_cyprus]

THE IMORTAL QUESTION IS SHOULD CYPRUS HAVE AN ARMY AT ALL OF ANY KIND ON THE ISLAND.........................AND I SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So if Turkey decides to march further south what other bright ideas will you then have?

Unless you can JUSTIFY your opinion I for one DO NOT want to hear it. Thank you.

if turkey wanted to it could have taken the whole of the island amigo in 74 it was not planned by turkey greece and britain for them to do that ,

How is 1974 relevant? WHAT IF TURKEY TODAY OCTOBER 2007, decides to come further south??? You are NOT answering the question!

how the feck can you have two armies to serve the same goverment when they call themselves greeks and turks what a load of fecking bollox

The government of Cyprus doesn't have two armies. Try again!

you want e to answer the question ok well for starters your fecking idiot for askign such a fecking idiotic questions secondly, if they did decide and its not in their interest to wage war on anyone without just couse, then do you think the army cyprus has today will stop them is that waht your trying to tell me cos if it is then your a bigger idiot then i think you are i hope that answers your persistent requirment for you answer

If the National Guard was to be abolished the Turkish army could just drive a military convoy straight down Ledra street, as an example, to anywhere on the island and wouldn't even need to fire a single shot. Nobody said anything about a war... call it a stroll of a military convoy!

WHAT WILL YOU THEN DO???

firstly when i said cyprus should not have an army i meant whole of cyprus not just the soo called national gourd as you pointed out