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Is there a problem?

There might be if you "own" property there so what's YOUR story wise guy?

And in answer to your question - yes I do. A Suziki Jeep. Any objections (wise guy)?

So what EXACTLY is the nature of your business in the illegal Turkish military base?

Are you a policeman or a geologist?

I'd like to have a look at a couple of the army camps - some interesting geology - but I haven't been invited yet. I've seen some fairly interesting stuff at those in the South though.

You might be able to answer a separate question for me though - When the UK offered Cyprus enosis to Greece at the outbreak of WW2, why did they refuse it?

WW1, The UK government offered Cyprus to Greece in return for Greece fulfilling commitments made in the Balkan Treaties prior to the outbreak of WW1. Greek internal politics in that period were by no means stable with a Monarch supporting one side of the European conflict, a Prime Minister supporting another and/or trying to keep his country out of the bloodbath and opposing armies from both sides sitting on its borders. In truth any way in which Greece moved would have been disasterous. So no war on the side of the British and French = No Cyprus.

WW2, Touch and go at the begining about which way Greece might go, Metaxa having some and only some idealogical sympathy with the Axis Powers. Mussolini's demand that the Italian military be allowed freedom of passage through Greece to its southern ports sealed the decision in favour of Britain (or what was left of the Allies at that time if you prefer). Greece as no doubt everyone is aware put up one hell of a fight and forced the Italians back over its northern borders only to then be confronted with the German military blizgreig which no European country had until then had been able to withstand. None the less the Greek military fought on allowing the mass evacuation of thousands of British Empire troops culminating in the battle for Crete fought by Greek civilians , soldiers and the remnants of the British Empire expeditionary force against overwhelming German superiority. Cyprus was not formerly offered to Greece as she had enough reason to fight without being rewarded and by that time Cyprus was an important part of British Middle Eastern military strategy.

In an effort to stop the men of Cyprus from journeying to Greece to join the Greek military prior to the German occupation the British formed the Cyprus Regiment, it is debatable as to if this was done for political reasons or to stop the then serious drain on Cypriot agricultural workers. This initially ill equiped and under trained regiment fought with bravery in N. Africa the Far East and finally on mainland Europe, suffering the highest casualty rate per head of population of all the Empire countries. Additionally Cypriots fought in the RAF the RN and various Regiments of the British Army many with distinction. Some fifteen percent of British Fire Fighters during the Blitz were Cypriots, men who had made their own way to Britain and risked their lives nightly to perhaps a greater degree than many soldiers.

Why did WW2 start? because France predominately, Britain and the USA were greedy and vindictive, stripping Germany of its industrial power and its coal supplies from the Ruhr in WW1 reparations, leaving the Germans looking for anyone to give them work and feed their children. Enter Adolph.

Can the Cypriots fight? stupid question of course they can and did with one hand tied behind their backs in 1974 and against us (the British) in the 1950's. Love em or hate em I'd sooner have a Cypriot as a friend than an enemy!

[oranos64]

Oranos, fighting takes many forms, not just an armed struggle.

Fighting was what all those real Cypriots did during the Ottoman era. While every now and then they tried their luck with an armed straggle, most of the time they simply resisted the oppressors and maintained their language and religion despite the huge benefits of changing.

Fighting for us now means to resist the pressure and not to sign any capitulation agreements. We have to be patient and continue to demand what is ours. Never for a moment let the enemy believe that they won this war. The war will end only with the liberation of Cyprus.

sir ... with all due respect to you for your hard work on the forum ....but the natives are no longer in fighting mode ...they are in turn over and take the $$$ mode ...the U.N and U.S know this and they will hang this carrot for us when the negotiations get the U.S green light.

mark my words ...two tier communities sharing cyprus ...we will not get our lands back ...we will though be forced to accept the losss via sweenters ....NATO keeps its raders and safe take off zone ...we loose ,our politicians sold us out years ago,the left ,the right are all sell outs ...no party is in tune with the people ..once the elections finish nest year ..it will be back to the broken promises ...

the people ,we are not united ...we never have been ...most Cypriots live for their pay check ....no more fight ...we dont even have a real voice any more

let me ask you this ...every year in the UK ,the greek cyps march to trafalgar square protest and hold speechs etc against occupation ...
i have lived in cyprus for 3 years ..i have never seen 1000s do the same why .....why ? because the local native doesnt care anymore .,..a whole generation of displaced people have died .....unless there is personal gain .,no one cares..more people turn up to watch shite football games than protest against this on going injustce ...when there is a protest its never more than some couple hundreds of people .

now and again on rik, they will cover a protest, but are more than happy all them like sigma and ant1 etc to tell me about some bar b q with TC and some commie politician telling us that all will be well if we hold hands and be friends ...yeah no secturian violence will ever happen ...no arguments ...well i suppose so ...in their world ...all we need to do is eat and all will be well .

bro there is no more fight in the dog ...time for it to be put down ...

just a few like me ,who will .....never forgive nor forget ....

[Nikitas]

Rotate,

My father was one of those that volunteered for military service with the British. He was radio officer on a ship in the Mediterranean. From what I heard the numbers of Cypriots who volunteered for service in WWII would be more than one regiment, but my sources are not accurate. Do you perhaps know the numbers?

[oranos64]

My grandpa ...fought in crete and mainland greece and said he was trained somewhat with some 100 plus others ...

[cymart]

Day by day the changes in the north become more and more irreversible and yet there are people here naive enough to believe that by listening to the garbage served by their present leadership that things will somehow all be as they want,one day..........Time and time again people here have followed people who live in cuckoo land and yet whenever someone sees what's obvious and tries to point out the truth as Rolandis did on Sunday etc. they are shot down in flames as we have seen from some of the postings yesterday!I really feel sorry that people can be so naive as to trust and believe in what are no better than a bunch of self-serving,lying and scheming crooks who are taking their people for a ride while they continue to enjoy the spoils of power,wealth and glory etc!
For God's sake get real-you lost the north in 1974 and turned down what was probably the only time in history when Turkey would have had to give back peacefully something which they took by force when you voted 'no' in 2004!
Meanwhile you allow a bunch of crooked and corrupt millionaires called developers to continue to sell your land in the south to anyone who comes along with the money,including members of the Russian K.G.B. elite who are buying up prime properties in Limassol and elsewhere!Very soon,if they are not already the Cypriots will be a minority in their own country and this time you will not be able to voice more useless protests about an unfair invasion etc etc!
If the people who run this country had any sense of decency and cared about the future and I mean all the governments,not just Papad. they would have restricted or banned sales of property to foreigners,at least until there was a solution to the political problem.But it is already far too late and you are in the E.U. and effectively powerless to stop it!
I write all this not with anger but with great regret when I see what was really an island that could have become the Switzerland of the Mediterannean sold over and over again like a tired whore in one of the sleazy nightclubs Cyprus has become notorious for,not by foreigners but by its own people!I have met some truly decent Cypriots here on both sides and respect their good intentions and integrity,but I do not like what I see around me today here at all-in fact it scares me far more than what happened in 1974 in many ways!
Absolute power-and too much money etc. corrupts absolutely wherever it occurs and Ghalanos was absolutely right in his Sunday interview in Politis.

[michalis5354]

All refugees have been compensated why should they demonstrate on the streets. Many have achieved 10 times more wealth to what they have left in the North so why should they demonstrate?Also there is no rush from the government to force Turkey to come to negotiate ,so people are happy with the statues quo. There are no refugees. The picture of misery that we like to portray is just a fake mask and not the real face. This explains why Papadopoulos has done nothing after the referendum. Also I ve heard him recently calling the ridicoulous rhetoric the Greeks of Cyprus or the hellenism of Cyprus discrediting the ROC. How stupid can he get?

[Sotos]

I don't know how stupid you can get. Many refugees are very poor. Go to the refugee villages and see. And so what if many managed to be rich again? We are smart people why not? Does it mean we should give our country to the Turks? How the fuck is the 2 related? Cymart latest poll Papadopoulos is ahead almost 4%. Your lies do nothing man. Give up. You attack Cyprus and Cypriots all the time and you are helping the Turks! Disgusting!

[michalis5354]

I criticise the attitude that leads to nowhere. Many refugees have been fooled to believe that one day they will all go back and find their house at the same condition as they left it . How do I help the Turks Fool? Because I disagree with the current tactics? How many Americans disagree with Bush on the war to Iraq ?

[pantheman]

Well done "get real" or should it be "REAL GIT" if your losing an argument - get personal

Well, may I remind you too what you said on your 2nd post on this thread.

F**k me, Pass me your rose tinted glasses. I've met enough GC's to realise there will never be solution while there is so many of your stubborn pig headed dinosaurs alive. get you head from up your arse, drag yourself into this decade and stop spouting hatred.
And that is from a neutral point of view.

Hypocrit, Its pricks like you and your bum chum Hissyfits (or should i say sugartits) that have put our country in the state it is in now. Just so that your F country can continue to occupy our lands and brought in their rotweiler to hold us off. You need to get a life mate, you have obviously been wronged by some GC and hence you shitty attitude to the whole GC nation. Why don't you just fuck off and go and complain to the irish about the IRA and leave us to deal with our own. Tossers.

Is that personal enough for you ? because its the only language you piece of shits really understand. You wouldn't know what its like to suffer the losses that the GC and TC have and you just come here with your bigshot ideas. I wonder Joff (is that short for Jerk Off btw?) what would your GC wife or family say hearing you shit all over there kind. Why did you marry into a GC family since you despise the GC so much?

And please don't tell me its just your opnion, bollocks, generally there are 3 categories of people that argue the Cyprob,

1. GC (such as piratis, kefeas,sotos and others)
2.TC (Halil, Mr from NG, zan and others )
3. The thieving foreigners that have bought the stolen lands and don't want to have to give it up, hence all the shit talking to prevent any real settlement being reached.

So tell me, which are you? If you say none of the above i would say you're are a lying cheating son of a bitch. Damn you and your kind.

With your racist attitudes its a good job you don't live in bradford, I wish the Asians would demand an independent state in Bradford and the Jamaicans in brixton and we'll see just how accomodating you losers really are.

Take a hike the pair of you .

Have a nice F day.

[cymart]

We all respect everyones democratic right to express their viewpoint,even if we disagree with them sometimes,but using abusive and foul language like the last person did is not only offensive but also displays a lack of self-control and maturity!