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[growuptcs]

VP, hate never lets you see past your own problems, but education allows different viewpoints to be heard and dealt with rationally. So stop blocking reason for your self-centered ways.

[cymart]

You could have been preparing to return to Morphou very soon if the Annan Plan had gone through(read the territorial provisions of it very carefully),along with a lot of other people in about 60 other villages and Varosha would already have been given back but because you listened to Papad. with his 'sack of onions' speech and voted 'no' your prospects are now worse than ever!It was also very interesting that he carefully avoided saying when the better 'european solution' he promised will arrive!It was all 'pie-in -the sky' and even my neighbours cat knows that!I don't doubt that your uncle was decent and hard-working,as are all my father-in-laws family from the Karpas etc. but don't tell me about the church,especially the people at the head of it who are among the biggest crooks in Cyprus,just like the developers,many of the lawyers and the cabaret bosses etc.These are the kind of people who run and own Cyprus today and good people like yourself and my wifes family have nothing by comparison and are downtrodden and living on sentimental memories!
Don't give me any drivel about fighting for a just solution etc etc as we all know that the people who run this country are fighting for their own self-interest and any fool can understand that!Sorry,but this is the bitter truth and denying it only perpetuates our misery!

[Nikitas]

Cymart,

The territorial provisions of the plan were that some places would be returned within 6 months, some within ten years. In the meantime they would remain under Turkish military control and that was the sticking point. It was strange to retain military control over these places and refused to let them stay under UN control. That was the point that stopped me. That and the granting of 29 per cent of territory to 18 per cent of the population.

The aftermath of the Annan affair has one moment that sticks in memory, Erdogan's satement :"we got all we wanted without giving an inch of territory and without removing one single soldier" . How do you interpret that statement? And then there was Gul's gem: "under the Annan plan they would lose their sovereignty" which bears lots of interpretations none of them positive.

I am not fond of any politician but there is a lot more at stake here than just the return of the refugees. The major goal is the long term survival of our community in Cyprus and the Annan plan was not the way to achieve that, the EU membership is and that was achieved. To borrow from Erdogan's manual on cynicism we could say we got in, under our own steam and that has brough new rules to the game, now we cannot lose our sovereignty.

Now the end game is in sight, and the final result might not be much different than the Annan plan, but it will be safer because the facts are vastly different. Once the dust settles history will judge the choices and will show them to be right in the circumstances.

[StuartN]

As so often the case RealGit - no coherent reply or reasoned argument. Just personal insult and invective. You're laughable.

[Pyrpolizer]

You could have been preparing to return to Morphou very soon if the Annan Plan had gone through(read the territorial provisions of it very carefully),along with a lot of other people in about 60 other villages and Varosha would already have been given back but because you listened to Papad. with his 'sack of onions' speech and voted 'no' your prospects are now worse than ever!It was also very interesting that he carefully avoided saying when the better 'european solution' he promised will arrive!It was all 'pie-in -the sky' and even my neighbours cat knows that!I don't doubt that your uncle was decent and hard-working,as are all my father-in-laws family from the Karpas etc. but don't tell me about the church,especially the people at the head of it who are among the biggest crooks in Cyprus,just like the developers,many of the lawyers and the cabaret bosses etc.These are the kind of people who run and own Cyprus today and good people like yourself and my wifes family have nothing by comparison and are downtrodden and living on sentimental memories!
Don't give me any drivel about fighting for a just solution etc etc as we all know that the people who run this country are fighting for their own self-interest and any fool can understand that!Sorry,but this is the bitter truth and denying it only perpetuates our misery!

the odds are he would be preparing to move to Nea kypros somewhere in Greece, or London.

[Nikitas]

Pyro,

re the subject of Nea Kypros, where in Greece do you think it would be the best place to put it? I have often thought about that, and if there was a contingency plan for us to be moved here.

A note for StuartN

Sener Levent writes today that the top priority for the Greek Cyprios should be ther removal of the Turkish mainland settlers and the army from northern Cyprus.

Sener Levent is a Turkish Cypriot journalist often jailed for his writings. His views are shared by Turkish Cypriot politicians like Mr Akinci and the late Ozgur. Not everyone who stands up for their rights is a rabid Greek nationalist. Colonisation and foreign occupation are not acceptable in Europe in the 21st century.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro,

re the subject of Nea Kypros, where in Greece do you think it would be the best place to put it? I have often thought about that, and if there was a contingency plan for us to be moved here.

A note for StuartN

Sener Levent writes today that the top priority for the Greek Cyprios should be ther removal of the Turkish mainland settlers and the army from northern Cyprus.

Sener Levent is a Turkish Cypriot journalist often jailed for his writings. His views are shared by Turkish Cypriot politicians like Mr Akinci and the late Ozgur. Not everyone who stands up for their rights is a rabid Greek nationalist. Colonisation and foreign occupation are not acceptable in Europe in the 21st century.

It's all in the Annan Plan man. Read page 1922 for exact cordinates.

[Nikitas]

Nea Kypros inhabited by NeoCypriots! Sounds cute!

[Bananiot]

The aftermath of the Annan affair has one moment that sticks in memory, Erdogan's satement :"we got all we wanted without giving an inch of territory and without removing one single soldier" . How do you interpret that statement? And then there was Gul's gem: "under the Annan plan they would lose their sovereignty" which bears lots of interpretations none of them positive.

The above were fabricated by the "NO" camp in order to reach the hearts of the unsuspecting. What is very real is the cry of Denktash who "thanked the Greek Cypriots for voting no".

[Pyrpolizer]

Bananiot everybody watched those statements live repeatedly . Denktashes thanks to the Gcs were because his "trnc" would be dissolved. For him it didn't matter that the Republic would be dissolved too. The chaos that would follow was also against his personal interests.