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[phoenix]

Halil, being a partitionist yourself, I am sure you are also very happy and content reading the above article with Rolandie's "findings," just like Zan and VP are! Consequently, why don't you let those of us against partition to have all the worries and concerns? Why do you pretend to also be concerned? I for once, being against partition, do not share Rolandie's views and concerns, and I find his style and line of argumentation very cheap and even dangerous, for it allows partitionists like you to gleefully rejoice!

Partitionist HALİL

And

KİFEAS.......................

Distasteful exhibition, Halil. You should be ashamed of yourself. There are many people suffering because of your stupid desire for partition.

[DT.]

Halil, being a partitionist yourself, I am sure you are also very happy and content reading the above article with Rolandie's "findings," just like Zan and VP are! Consequently, why don't you let those of us against partition to have all the worries and concerns? Why do you pretend to also be concerned? I for once, being against partition, do not share Rolandie's views and concerns, and I find his style and line of argumentation very cheap and even dangerous, for it allows partitionists like you to gleefully rejoice!

Partitionist HALİL

And

KİFEAS.......................

Distasteful exhibition, Halil. You should be ashamed of yourself. There are many people suffering because of your stupid desire for partition.

5....4......3......2....(he's gonna blow)

[Pyrpolizer]

I believe Rolandis was a rich person before he became a politician. That is one of the reasons he resigned a job when others would fight for their lives in order to keep it. I see your point but generalising is not a good idea.

Pyrpolyser, I fail to grasp your point. You cannot deny gravity just because nothing has fallen in the last 5000 seconds.

But I have not. In fact I already said the power of gravity is not enough to even touch the building the same way it hasn't touch it the last 33 years. Some decorating "souvades" might fall though.

[cymart]

If we could all get what we want,what a mess the world would be in!Wisdom teaches us the difference between what is desirable and what is feasible and that applies to everything in life...As we don't live in an ideal world,we have to compromise.

[Pyrpolizer]

Stop arguing about the man and concentrate on what he said..I have heard nothing yet that disputes all the facts he has put forward. Put them into the equation and then see what you end up with. `The ideals quoted are not within the realms of the reality. Head in sand mode is not acceptable.

I already replied to what he specifically said Zan. Are you blind or something.

It's amazing how the TCs derive high hopes from reading what the GC Nostradamuses say. Why don't you read your own newspapers guys? What do they say, are they promising you the holy land like our own Messiahs do?

[Pyrpolizer]

Thank God someone else can see the sense in Rolandis article too!Most of the vitriolic attacks on it are a very sad reflection of the mentality which still prevails here today.It seems the Greek-Cypriots are their own worse enemies in many ways-a look around at the mess they have made of the environment here, the rubbish everywhere. the overbuilding, the arrogance and the greed and their sleazy,dirty 'cabarets' where they use women like toilets!(Turkish Cypriots are equally guilty of many similar faults in the north,let's be honest!)
Even my wifes family who are Greek-Cypriots agree with me,so am I that wrong?

You can always go back to where you came from.

[Get Real!]

Thank God someone else can see the sense in Rolandis article too!Most of the vitriolic attacks on it are a very sad reflection of the mentality which still prevails here today.It seems the Greek-Cypriots are their own worse enemies in many ways-a look around at the mess they have made of the environment here, the rubbish everywhere. the overbuilding, the arrogance and the greed and their sleazy,dirty 'cabarets' where they use women like toilets!(Turkish Cypriots are equally guilty of many similar faults in the north,let's be honest!)
Even my wifes family who are Greek-Cypriots agree with me,so am I that wrong?

The whole lot of you are a bunch of idiots because the Cyprus problem is about the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country so everything else is besides the point.

[MR-from-NG]

Thank God someone else can see the sense in Rolandis article too!Most of the vitriolic attacks on it are a very sad reflection of the mentality which still prevails here today.It seems the Greek-Cypriots are their own worse enemies in many ways-a look around at the mess they have made of the environment here, the rubbish everywhere. the overbuilding, the arrogance and the greed and their sleazy,dirty 'cabarets' where they use women like toilets!(Turkish Cypriots are equally guilty of many similar faults in the north,let's be honest!)
Even my wifes family who are Greek-Cypriots agree with me,so am I that wrong?

The whole lot of you are a bunch of idiots because the Cyprus problem is about the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country so everything else is besides the point.

If it was that simple the problem would have been solved long ago. The day has come for you to start looking at a bigger picture.

Poor cymart has been attacked for no reason at all, he has been told to go back home by Pyrp and you are being too dismissive.

While you are dealing with the problem emotionally others are looking at it politically. There is definitely truth in what Rolandis says but you refuse to accept it and that is the mistake you are all making. That includes your president.

I'd also like to add that accusing TC members of being partitionist is also a big mistake on your part, and again you refuse to look at the bigger picture. Put a workable plan on the table and see for yourselves the percentage of TCs voting YES for it.

[tcklim]

You can attack him all you like, it doesn't change the fact that the article is dead-on accurate and full of facts that demonstrate the direction we are going. The only fools are the ones who have been warned countless times of these signs, yet remain steadfast in their conviction that they alone are correct while the rest of the world is wrong.

Anyone dissenting from the views of Tpap is considered an enemy. Anyone discussing negotiations with the TC side is considered an enemy. The reality is there is no realistic solution that can be implemented to appease the delusional hardliners currently. Face the facts.

I am against partition, but it's all too close for comfort now. And the reason is people such as yourself. Just like donkeys following the dangling carrot on the end of a stick, you will never reach your goal.

Instead, we make friends, deceive them with bs and then turn them into enemies when a solution gets too close for comfort.

It's a sad time for Cyprus.

on another note, how the f*** does this compare to the sale of a 7UP factory...

What is accurate about that article man? The fact that he resigned from Foreign Minister for totally different reasons than those he says? The fact that Italian 'parliamentarians" are not even in the Italian Parliament? The fact that giving them pseudo citizenship by home delivery actually ridiculed the occupation regime and not us? The fact that he accuses the GC side for all the illegalities going on in the occupied? The fact that he says we rejected the Secretar General's set of ideas, which the TC/T side also rejected? The fact that he tries to pass the message the GC side has more than 1/4 of the key for solving the Cyprob as if we are some sort of superpower or something?

The only thing he is right are the possible dangers as long as the current situation is draged in time. Does he think he is the only one who sees those dangers, or does he think he is some sort of Messiah? An honest and wise politician should be able to weigh those dangers and

a)give a precise measure of their validity and possibility to happen
b)be able to offer solutions.

He does neither of the two. For me he is nothing more than a woman who screams like crazy, that she and her children are going to starve, because her husband broke his leg.

- Whether or not he resigned his post because of this specific reason is irrelevant. The point is made in that letter regardless, and most of the article has nothing to do with it anyway. Either way, I am interested to know how you can be so certain why he resigned.

- One was a member of parliament, the other in the general council, either way, two Italian politicians that are voiced in the government applied for TRNC citizenship as a symbol of objection and solidarity. That is not good for us down South. As ridiculous as it was, such a thing would have been unthinkable only a few years ago and the mere thought that someone would suggest it would earn much the same scorn from you hardliners as you are giving now.

- He doesn't accuse the GC side of doing anything in the occupied areas, that's just your blindness reading what it wants to read without actually looking at the words. His point is very clearly that our blind attitude down South, policies and rhetoric have and will lead to nothing but partition of the island (even though it doesnt have to be officially recognized, it can be cemented) and we have to pull our heads out of our behinds if we want progress.

- The GC side DOES hold at least 1/4 of the key to solving the CyProb, the fact that you can't see this demonstrates a grave problem. You constantly bicker and complain about outside interference then deny all responsibility for the stalemate and current situation. WE HOLD THE KEY! or at least we can if we want to, which we don't, it's easier to blame others....


FACT: There will never be a complete return to how things were before 1974. That is just fact, it is logistically impossible and will never be implemented. Your crying and whining about it will not get it either. We are not powerful enough to get this outcome by force, and no-one is backing us up, not even Greece, so I don't see where you can see a light for this hardline dream but its definetely going to remain a dream.

If there is going to be a solution it will NOT encompass the return of all refugees. As unjust as that is, it is also the unfortunate reality. Now the decision has to be made. Can we live with that? Can we settle for a negotiated settlement with alternatives? Or are we going to scream and shout for the end of time .... I vote for the first option, because we've been doing the second for a while now and its quite obvious no-one could care less... even our oh so beloved Greece (who shares considerable blame for this mess to begin with) .....

When reality does finally hit you in the face, I fear it will be too late.

If we do continue down the present path, no-one will be happier that I was wrong than myself..... but it's clear to everyone not blinded by Tpap (and it astounds me how anyone can listen to him with his shady background) that this won't be the case....

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[Get Real!]

Thank God someone else can see the sense in Rolandis article too!Most of the vitriolic attacks on it are a very sad reflection of the mentality which still prevails here today.It seems the Greek-Cypriots are their own worse enemies in many ways-a look around at the mess they have made of the environment here, the rubbish everywhere. the overbuilding, the arrogance and the greed and their sleazy,dirty 'cabarets' where they use women like toilets!(Turkish Cypriots are equally guilty of many similar faults in the north,let's be honest!)
Even my wifes family who are Greek-Cypriots agree with me,so am I that wrong?

The whole lot of you are a bunch of idiots because the Cyprus problem is about the illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country so everything else is besides the point.

If it was that simple the problem would have been solved long ago. The day has come for you to start looking at a bigger picture.

Poor cymart has been attacked for no reason at all, he has been told to go back home by Pyrp and you are being too dismissive.

While you are dealing with the problem emotionally others are looking at it politically. There is definitely truth in what Rolandis says but you refuse to accept it and that is the mistake you are all making. That includes your president.

I'd also like to add that accusing TC members of being partitionist is also a big mistake on your part, and again you refuse to look at the bigger picture. Put a workable plan on the table and see for yourselves the percentage of TCs voting YES for it.

Anyone who brings up rubbish, overbuilding, arrogance, greed, and cabarets to build up a case against the RoC is nothing but an idiot who doesn't belong in the political threads.