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[Viewpoint]

If you guys only knew how small a change it takes to gain the advantage over an enemy!

How were the Mongols defeated? By one simple invention called the stirrup. How did the Greek Army win the Balkan Wars, the simple and unplanned adoption of the most modern rifle of its time helped a lot. It is just as possible that one overlooked and small technological change can make mighty armies obsolete. Read up on the latest miliatry tech advances and soon you realise that some things could cancel out modern planes and ships. There is no such thing as a permanently victorious army. The might Turkish army got is ass whipped a lot during the early 20th century. It never fought a full power adversary since then. And for my liking its general wear a lot of decorative stuff and that is not a good sign. Compare them to the Israelis and see the difference. Too much brass is bad for the ass says an old military proverb.

Drowning men always clutch at straws, why do you need to undermine the Turkish Army does it make you GCs feel better? your kidding yourselves and no one else.

[Viewpoint]

Their Histories do not go back much beyond that of Cypriots.

So? if ı say black you will say white can you not see you are deny facts for the sake of it. Your mentality lacks understanding or depth, just snide remarks which will get us nowhere.

Both Indigenous peoples arrived in their respective countries between 12,000 - 15,000 years ago. There are records that date Cypriots to 12,000 years ago. These are the facts you choose to be oblivious to.

Compare that to the 33 years you are so proud to believe your puny "TRNC" has tried to exist for and there is a monumental disparity you fail to grasp.

You can't compare the Indigenous people of Australia and North America with the GCs and Cyprus. They lost their countries a few hundred years ago when such illegalities were not condemned.

Who not? condemning makes it wrong the act and result are still the same, doesnt mean it wont happen in the future.

So you would happily trundle along carrying out condemned illegalities just for the end result. Well that sums up the Turkish mentality.

Also, they lost out to more advanced cultures . . . something that is clearly not the case with our Barbaric Invaders.

This is the response of a biggot.

We have proved time and again that Turkey is still a Barbaric Invader.

Above all, Viewpoint, this remark shows your lack of shame and your true evil nature since you condone the loss of land by the Indigenous People of Australia and North America and are stupid enough to think you can achieve the same and eradicate the GCs.

I do not condone it see you no understanding or comprehension, no one can change history but we have a chnage to shape a future, the lack of vision and desire put forward by GC contibutors is very unimpressive and could not persuade any TCs to start building trust, we have learned our lesson from the past but obviously GCs have not.

Again I reiterate: You condone (denied here purely because of my accusation) the loss of the homelands by the Indigenous Peoples of Australia and North America.

Nothing of your ideology suggests that you would think twice before reenacting the same fate on the GCs.

Phoenix you conveniently forget you lost the war, you had your butts kicked real hard for the previous 11 years of shit you dished out on the TCs, you still havent gotten over it today. The current divide is a direct result of your own greedy actions and has changed the scene in Cyprus forever, even the 2 communities are strangers to each other. As I stated above the indigenous people of both Australia and North America lost their lands but the big difference between you and those peoples were they did nothing to the arriving people you did.

I maintain your arguements also shown above are shallow and only put forward to aggrivate and annoy TC posters, you actually admitted to this yourself. What are your real motives and how do you see a united Cyprus?

[zan]

This is preposterous and you are nothing but laughable, this kind of delusions might make you feel safer in your little world, however here, on the side of reality, we call people like you ignorantly happy You claim that technology is important and not important within the same paragraph, what are you drunk?!

If you knew anything about Turkish war history you would know that Turkish army will never bend over before anyone, they built this country with the least prepared army in the world which was mustered together right under the noses of the imperialist arseholes including Greece who was the BITCH of the British and still got crushed miserably, proving that technology does not always equal victory as it is also pretty evident with almost any war America got herself into, they cant even keep Iraq and Afghanistan under control, some of the poorest and least advanced countries in the world, even if they have the help of many other powerful countries including Turkey!

Before you have a premature ejaculation running down your pants about how big and mighty Turkey is read this...

Turkey’s Military Performance in July 1974

One of the stories that use to circulate right after the Turkish invasion of 1974 was about how the invading Turks could have been stopped dead in their tracks had the Greek Cypriots made one military decision over another, or had such and such circumstance been different, ie: the Greek coup causing a split in the National Guard which led to military chaos etc.

At the time I didn’t think much of these claims and would swiftly dismiss them as the working class’ softening of the blow but decades later I was to be enlightened thanks to documents previously held from public domain and now made available.

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the United States Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”

It couldn’t have been easier for Turkey in July 1974 as Cyprus at the time was THE cakewalk of cakewalks and yet her invasion can only be described as a major military disaster which in fact is nothing new…

Turkey has a very poor track record in wars dating back from the Ottoman empire with their first major defeat in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there.

Regards, GR.

And if my Grandmother had bollocks she would be my Grandfather

[shahmaran]

Whatever makes you happy Piratis, your appalling reasoning abilities deserves no real reply and is nothing but amusing...

And for you GR, i suggest you read on about how that army that you "could" have beaten which you COULD NOT, came together to be and embrace the fact that you have lost against yet another semi-prepared Turkish army that was mustered together on the last minute.

Face it, the Greeks have NEVER stood a chance against Turkey in any battle not even with the help of the British, and neither have France and Australia, and nor will the Kurds, they don't even have a real army, other then a bunch of terrorists who can only ambush unarmed public buses, lay mines and bomb public places, these are unfortunately not enough to "conquer" land. I think they will be extremely lucky if they can at least pull off their own state in Iraq, let alone taking parts of Turkey. Hopefully Turkey will soon move in to northern Iraq and bring an end to this PKK bullshit!

[Nikitas]

VP,

Campaign ribbons and medals are awarded for real campaigns and for worthy actions. When you see the Turkish High Command meeting in that Stalinesque office of theirs in full dress uniform you got to ask yourself- which campaigns justify all those ribbons, which heroic deeds resulted in so many medals for so few men.

Now look at the Israeli High Command and see.... no ribbons, no medals, the guys are wearing fatigues, they look like workind soldiers, even if they are generals. These guys fight almost everyday. The comparison is inevitable, and they undermine themselves there is no need for me or anyone else to do it.

And like the post says, small technical advances sometimes bring about big changes. Current technology is full of many such small and big changes that can make all big cumbersome armies obsolete, all and not just the Turkish army. Dont rush to judge all posts as antiturkish. Personally I dislike all high brass and their pseudo scientific attitude about war.

[Get Real!]

The current divide is a direct result of your own greedy actions and has changed the scene in Cyprus forever, even the 2 communities are strangers to each other. As I stated above the indigenous people of both Australia and North America lost their lands but the big difference between you and those peoples were they did nothing to the arriving people you did.

You are such a clown you give new meaning to the word...

Protecting our island is considered "greedy" but Ottoman invasions that led up to asshole VP being here are not!

The "arriving people" !

"they did nothing to the arriving people" Could all the GCs please bend over because VP has arrived to make a claim!

Just take your computer back VP and tell them you're too stupid to own one.

[Get Real!]

And if my Grandmother had bollocks she would be my Grandfather

Was that said in your technical opinion?

[zan]

And if my Grandmother had bollocks she would be my Grandfather

Was that said in your technical opinion?

As technical and relevant as yours. Does your analysis change history? NO! The Turkish army was unprepared and the Greek one less so.

[Get Real!]

And if my Grandmother had bollocks she would be my Grandfather

Was that said in your technical opinion?

As technical and relevant as yours. Does your analysis change history? NO! The Turkish army was unprepared and the Greek one less so.

I'm glad you read that post...

Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

[zan]

And if my Grandmother had bollocks she would be my Grandfather

Was that said in your technical opinion?

As technical and relevant as yours. Does your analysis change history? NO! The Turkish army was unprepared and the Greek one less so.

I'm glad you read that post...

Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

So what is your point????Are you trying to prove that Turkey had plans to invade long before the intervention........YES! They bloody well did have. Ever since 1963 and maybe even before as required by the Zurich agreement. they took their role seriously..Unlike the Greek contingent that wanted the whole island.