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[Viewpoint]

Piratis

What I say about Turkey being a torn country is all facts VP. At the very least what is now eastern Turkey will be part of Kurdistan very soon.

If you say so but Ill put my money on the Turkish Army every time, with the 4th strongest army power in the world I cannot see Turkey being torn apart as you wish.

Also you keep repeating some nonsense that I want a "GC state" and TCs not to have any input. So I will repeat to you: What I want is a Cypriot state, and the minority of TCs to have the input that proportionately belongs to them.

How will I stop you from for example uniting with Greece or stoping any trade with Turkey or stoping Turkish workers coming to Cyprus??? all these effect us more negatively then they do you.

And we are not any "Aboriginals", we are in fact way more advanced that you in all respects. The only thing Turks have in their advantage is the support of the Americans. Remove that and Turkey will collapse within a decade.

So you being more advanced gives you more rights than them? They lost out to stronger powers and you to messed up changing the whole structure of Cyprus, its this reality before you that you have to deal with not how it was because that has changed forever, now you have the Turkish Army, UN and EU involved, they will not put up with your antics for much longer.

[Viewpoint]

phoenix

Their Histories do not go back much beyond that of Cypriots.

So? if ı say black you will say white can you not see you are deny facts for the sake of it. Your mentality lacks understanding or depth, just snide remarks which will get us nowhere.

You can't compare the Indigenous people of Australia and North America with the GCs and Cyprus. They lost their countries a few hundred years ago when such illegalities were not condemned.

Who not? condemning makes it wrong the act and result are still the same, doesnt mean it wont happen in the future.

Also, they lost out to more advanced cultures . . . something that is clearly not the case with our Barbaric Invaders.

This is the response of a biggot.

Above all, Viewpoint, this remark shows your lack of shame and your true evil nature since you condone the loss of land by the Indigenous People of Australia and North America and are stupid enough to think you can achieve the same and eradicate the GCs.

I do not condone it see you no understanding or comprehension, no one can change history but we have a chnage to shape a future, the lack of vision and desire put forward by GC contibutors is very unimpressive and could not persuade any TCs to start building trust, we have learned our lesson from the past but obviously GCs have not.

[denizaksulu]

You do exactly that, the Aborginies and Native Americans history goes back further than yours look what happened to them.

Their Histories do not go back much beyond that of Cypriots.

You can't compare the Indigenous people of Australia and North America with the GCs and Cyprus. They lost their countries a few hundred years ago when such illegalities were not condemned.

Also, they lost out to more advanced cultures . . . something that is clearly not the case with our Barbaric Invaders.

Above all, Viewpoint, this remark shows your lack of shame and your true evil nature since you condone the loss of land by the Indigenous People of Australia and North America and are stupid enough to think you can achieve the same and eradicate the GCs.
Phoney!

hahahaahahah they lost to a more advance civilisation lol hahahahahha dont make me laugh

free_cyprus . . . . do not misquote me when it's right there

I said a more advanced CULTURE . . . meaning tools, medicine etc.

I did not say a more advanced CIVILISATION . . . meaning morals etc.

You can stop laughing now!

Now, you have me laughing instead, ha ha haa

[Get Real!]

If you say so but Ill put my money on the Turkish Army every time, with the 4th strongest army power in the world I cannot see Turkey being torn apart as you wish.

I'm sure I've posted a list in the past but what good does it obviously do to minds like yours and Zan's that can no longer learn anything new?

[Piratis]

The Turkish army is one of the largest, not one of the strongest. It is one of the least organized and the technology they have is only what they allow them to have. USSR had the second strongest army with nuclear weapons and their own advanced technologies and they still split up due to their own internal problems and a bit of push from abroad.

About "how will you stop" this and that, a minority of 18% is not supposed to stop Cypriots from anything. We have made some compromises (e.g. union with Greece) but your minority can not impose on Cyprus whatever you feel like. The Cypriot people will take decisions democratically, and if you don't like it you can piss off.

Your Turkish army and with it Turkey itself will collapse within the next 10 to 15 years. Remember what I tell you.

[Viewpoint]

The Turkish army is one of the largest, not one of the strongest. It is one of the least organized and the technology they have is only what they allow them to have. USSR had the second strongest army with nuclear weapons and their own advanced technologies and they still split up due to their own internal problems and a bit of push from abroad.

About "how will you stop" this and that, a minority of 18% is not supposed to stop Cypriots from anything. We have made some compromises (e.g. union with Greece) but your minority can not impose on Cyprus whatever you feel like. The Cypriot people will take decisions democratically, and if you don't like it you can piss off.

Your Turkish army and with it Turkey itself will collapse within the next 10 to 15 years. Remember what I tell you.

Immediately you get into a piss race, typical Piratis.

What if it dont? throwing these sorts of slogans about is easy....heres one for you the "RoC" will be torn apart in 20 years....good luck you will need it. Heres another one The "Roc" will be swamped by Turkish settlers as workers once they enter the EU in 10 years

So if the "Cypriots" (82% = GCs) people vote for no trade with Turkey that will be OK? or if they want to scrap a united Cyprus and give it to Greece, thats ok as well?

[Pyrpolizer]

VP you have to give us REAL and APPLICABLE examples. The one's you gave are inapplicable and I am not going to get into constitutional/Eu aquis and other legal details to prove them so.

Here's a REAL example. The Cyprus Government as a member state of the EU wants to introduce the Euro as our Currency. All the GCs agree because they think it will be good for the economy, wheras the TCs disagree because they think it will make the Gc businessmen even stronger and "eat them like lahana".

Do you see a problem here or do you not?

[shahmaran]

The Turkish army is one of the largest, not one of the strongest. It is one of the least organized and the technology they have is only what they allow them to have. USSR had the second strongest army with nuclear weapons and their own advanced technologies and they still split up due to their own internal problems and a bit of push from abroad.

About "how will you stop" this and that, a minority of 18% is not supposed to stop Cypriots from anything. We have made some compromises (e.g. union with Greece) but your minority can not impose on Cyprus whatever you feel like. The Cypriot people will take decisions democratically, and if you don't like it you can piss off.

Your Turkish army and with it Turkey itself will collapse within the next 10 to 15 years. Remember what I tell you.

This is preposterous and you are nothing but laughable, this kind of delusions might make you feel safer in your little world, however here, on the side of reality, we call people like you ignorantly happy You claim that technology is important and not important within the same paragraph, what are you drunk?!

If you knew anything about Turkish war history you would know that Turkish army will never bend over before anyone, they built this country with the least prepared army in the world which was mustered together right under the noses of the imperialist arseholes including Greece who was the BITCH of the British and still got crushed miserably, proving that technology does not always equal victory as it is also pretty evident with almost any war America got herself into, they cant even keep Iraq and Afghanistan under control, some of the poorest and least advanced countries in the world, even if they have the help of many other powerful countries including Turkey!

[Get Real!]

This is preposterous and you are nothing but laughable, this kind of delusions might make you feel safer in your little world, however here, on the side of reality, we call people like you ignorantly happy You claim that technology is important and not important within the same paragraph, what are you drunk?!

If you knew anything about Turkish war history you would know that Turkish army will never bend over before anyone, they built this country with the least prepared army in the world which was mustered together right under the noses of the imperialist arseholes including Greece who was the BITCH of the British and still got crushed miserably, proving that technology does not always equal victory as it is also pretty evident with almost any war America got herself into, they cant even keep Iraq and Afghanistan under control, some of the poorest and least advanced countries in the world, even if they have the help of many other powerful countries including Turkey!

Before you have a premature ejaculation running down your pants about how big and mighty Turkey is read this...

Turkey’s Military Performance in July 1974

One of the stories that use to circulate right after the Turkish invasion of 1974 was about how the invading Turks could have been stopped dead in their tracks had the Greek Cypriots made one military decision over another, or had such and such circumstance been different, ie: the Greek coup causing a split in the National Guard which led to military chaos etc.

At the time I didn’t think much of these claims and would swiftly dismiss them as the working class’ softening of the blow but decades later I was to be enlightened thanks to documents previously held from public domain and now made available.

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the United States Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”

It couldn’t have been easier for Turkey in July 1974 as Cyprus at the time was THE cakewalk of cakewalks and yet her invasion can only be described as a major military disaster which in fact is nothing new…

Turkey has a very poor track record in wars dating back from the Ottoman empire with their first major defeat in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there.

Regards, GR.

[Piratis]

Asia Minor does not belong to the Turks. There are millions of Kurds that are still under Turkish Ottoman rule there waiting to be liberated.

Your Turkey will fall apart faster than the Ottoman empire did once it will be decided, and that time is coming closer and closer.

The Turks can easily fit on about 1/3rd of what is now Turkey, and considering that non of that land belongs to them in the first place, they should be grateful.