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[DT.]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

wasn't Matsakis arrested for having a couple of house loads of antiques Isn't he still in government along with that other crook Tpap

If you are referring to the following . . .

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... 1&heading=

. . . then it's just charges which he denies, so innocent until proven guilty is the verdict.

he got proven innocent. Case closed a while back

[Viewpoint]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

Here you go.....names of villages where you will rejoice and us cry in the destruction of anything TC, homes mosques produce...

YAGMURALAN

YOLÜSTÜ (KOLONİ)

TABANLI (İSTİNCO)

YEŞİLOVA (MANDİRYA)

OVALIK (DİMİ)


These are just a few go visit and report back your findings.

[phoenix]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

wasn't Matsakis arrested for having a couple of house loads of antiques Isn't he still in government along with that other crook Tpap

If you are referring to the following . . .

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... 1&heading=

. . . then it's just charges which he denies, so innocent until proven guilty is the verdict.

he got proven innocent. Case closed a while back

Great, thanks for that DT.

[halil]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

Here you go.....names of villages where you will rejoice and us cry in the destruction of anything TC, homes mosques produce...

YAGMURALAN

YOLÜSTÜ (KOLONİ)

TABANLI (İSTİNCO)

YEŞİLOVA (MANDİRYA)

OVALIK (DİMİ)


These are just a few go visit and report back your findings.

picture from Yagmuralan.

[phoenix]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

Here you go.....names of villages where you will rejoice and us cry in the destruction of anything TC, homes mosques produce...

YAGMURALAN

YOLÜSTÜ (KOLONİ)

TABANLI (İSTİNCO)

YEŞİLOVA (MANDİRYA)

OVALIK (DİMİ)


These are just a few go visit and report back your findings.

Where is the evidence VP?
Are they just neglected? . . . doesn't count.
What proof do you have that artifacts were removed and sold for profit.? That is what we are discussing.
I see no similarities with GR!'s strong case against the "TRNC".
Again, you are giving me hearsay. Not valid.

[halil]

Explore some deserted villages...
...on this medium level cycle route near Lysos

http://www.cyprus-travel-secrets.com/de ... lages.html
If you're looking for deserted villages in Cyprus, try this medium cycling route through a GORGEOUS gorge near the village of Lysos.

The views are spectacular from every turn as you wind your way through pine forest before visiting the village of Lysos. A hard climb onto the ridge above Lysos (known locally as Rocky Ridge) is then rewarded with a wonderful long descent through four deserted villages to the bottom of the Evretou valley.

The villages of Melandra, Zacharia, Istinjo and Sarama became deserted after the conflict in 1974 and the only inhabitants are now goats, sheep and pigs, tended by local farmers.


phoenix, as a cycle lover u should see this villages my dear friend.
by the way Bayrak tv started new cycling programs now. Program called PEDAL. Too many cyclist are taking parts in it.They are cycling all around the north.

[phoenix]

Explore some deserted villages...
...on this medium level cycle route near Lysos

http://www.cyprus-travel-secrets.com/de ... lages.html
If you're looking for deserted villages in Cyprus, try this medium cycling route through a GORGEOUS gorge near the village of Lysos.

The views are spectacular from every turn as you wind your way through pine forest before visiting the village of Lysos. A hard climb onto the ridge above Lysos (known locally as Rocky Ridge) is then rewarded with a wonderful long descent through four deserted villages to the bottom of the Evretou valley.

The villages of Melandra, Zacharia, Istinjo and Sarama became deserted after the conflict in 1974 and the only inhabitants are now goats, sheep and pigs, tended by local farmers.


phoenix, as a cycle lover u should see this villages my dear friend.
by the way Bayrak tv started new cycling programs now. Program called PEDAL. Too many cyclist are taking parts in it.They are cycling all around the north.

Halil, deserted villages are a history lesson in themselves . . . so always poignantly interesting.

I am pleased to hear about the cycling really taking off since it's great for the environment and health.

But my comments to Zan and VP were for any evidence to suggest looting from heritage sites . . . not just for the fact that people are no longer living there.

[halil]

Explore some deserted villages...
...on this medium level cycle route near Lysos

http://www.cyprus-travel-secrets.com/de ... lages.html
If you're looking for deserted villages in Cyprus, try this medium cycling route through a GORGEOUS gorge near the village of Lysos.

The views are spectacular from every turn as you wind your way through pine forest before visiting the village of Lysos. A hard climb onto the ridge above Lysos (known locally as Rocky Ridge) is then rewarded with a wonderful long descent through four deserted villages to the bottom of the Evretou valley.

The villages of Melandra, Zacharia, Istinjo and Sarama became deserted after the conflict in 1974 and the only inhabitants are now goats, sheep and pigs, tended by local farmers.


phoenix, as a cycle lover u should see this villages my dear friend.
by the way Bayrak tv started new cycling programs now. Program called PEDAL. Too many cyclist are taking parts in it.They are cycling all around the north.

Halil, deserted villages are a history lesson in themselves . . . so always poignantly interesting.

I am pleased to hear about the cycling really taking off since it's great for the environment and health.

But my comments to Zan and VP were for any evidence to suggest looting from heritage sites . . . not just for the fact that people are no longer living there.

There is a looting at both sides.
Now the gates are open , u can go freely every where . go and see them with your own eyes.
İmportant is after the gates opened both sides are very keen to protect the heritage sites this is very clear. Also people are coming more sensitive and feeling shame.
We also made a program about TC's heritages at southern part of the Cyprus.Second parts will be on BRT1.Friday night at 20:00 pm.
At Palet program they were also showing conditions of the churches.Some of them looted some of than reconstructed etc..... With PEDAL program we will able to see all the envoirment , Castels and so on......

[miltiades]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

Here you go.....names of villages where you will rejoice and us cry in the destruction of anything TC, homes mosques produce...

YAGMURALAN

YOLÜSTÜ (KOLONİ)

TABANLI (İSTİNCO)

YEŞİLOVA (MANDİRYA)

OVALIK (DİMİ)


These are just a few go visit and report back your findings.

You are talking nonsense , as usual . I visited ISTINJO , The mosque is still standing intact , the entire village is in a state of desprepair but has no evidence of malicious destruction , all signs also direct you to ISTINJO !!!

[Pyrpolizer]

Well if either Zan or VP can provide SOME relevant information that would be something . . . remember we're talking heritage here, and post 1974 looting and plunder (not wear and tear or neglect).

Please define what you mean by wear and tear or neglect? a mosque ransacked and left to deteriorate is no different from a church ransacked and left to natures will. You claim blue murder on churches but ignore the mosques, why is that I wonder?

Wear and tear or neglect are due to the Mosques having been left by the people who normally maintain them. There understandably would be little expectation from both sides to say, paint the windows every five years or renew the wiring etc. So naturally they would fall into disrepair through neglect. That would be acceptable since we are in a situation of war / ceasefire.
But what you are confusing and what I am complaining about is when there is deliberate and wilful removal of artifacts from these buildings. What GR! had exposed is the deliberate removal of icons and such like from the churches for the purpose of selling them and making money.
Now you are claiming the same has been done to treasures from the Mosques. So I would appreciate you providing some evidence rather than just making comments.

Here you go.....names of villages where you will rejoice and us cry in the destruction of anything TC, homes mosques produce...

YAGMURALAN

YOLÜSTÜ (KOLONİ)

TABANLI (İSTİNCO)

YEŞİLOVA (MANDİRYA)

OVALIK (DİMİ)


These are just a few go visit and report back your findings.

TIMI, MANDRIA, AND KOLONI are inhabited and in perfect condition. I don't know the name of the first one. Istinco is the village of Birkibrisli, abandoned from the 60s so nobody lives there. It too far away from any town, in fact the last village before the huge Paphos upto Troodos forest.

There are at least 4 times as many GC abandoned villages in Paphos area . Imo even if there was no Cyprus problem those TC villages would still have been abandoned because todays economics have changed.

Of course how would you ever understand how villages are getting abandoned when you STOLE from us the best area of Cyprus and left us the most shitty and economically problematic part? That's why absolutely no village in the Northern area has been abandoned.Because EACH AND EVERYONE is economically viable.