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[zan]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

You are standing by a President that is a criminal and you dare to try and besmirch the name of an entire nation.

[Get Real!]

Get Real! wrote:

Why don’t you tell us in your own words who/what is responsible for the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage if not those I blame in my posts?

Better yet, since you initiated this thread, why don't you explain your purpose for resurrecting an article that's 10 years old.

The article I made reference to gives a good account of one criminal’s illegal activities and the subsequent efforts made over a decade by various authorities across the globe to return some of these artifacts to Cyprus.

It is by no means the one and only criminal engaged in such activity, in fact the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage is an ONGOING illegality even today as many otherwise law-abiding citizens in the north have in their possession stolen artifacts displayed and/or hidden away in their homes.

Yes, I already understand, thank you. You clearly desire to portray Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals.

Actually one might question YOUR input thus far in this thread because it seems you are unhappy that Turkish and TC criminals are getting exposed for their involvement in the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage... please explain yourself.

[Filitsa]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

No subterfuge on my part, dear Phoenix. If you followed this thread from its beginning you would see that my commentary was not "added." I made my position clear from the start, and you helped to affirm it, but I thank you for the ethics lesson just the same.

[Filitsa]

Get Real! wrote:

Why don’t you tell us in your own words who/what is responsible for the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage if not those I blame in my posts?

Better yet, since you initiated this thread, why don't you explain your purpose for resurrecting an article that's 10 years old.

The article I made reference to gives a good account of one criminal’s illegal activities and the subsequent efforts made over a decade by various authorities across the globe to return some of these artifacts to Cyprus.

It is by no means the one and only criminal engaged in such activity, in fact the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage is an ONGOING illegality even today as many otherwise law-abiding citizens in the north have in their possession stolen artifacts displayed and/or hidden away in their homes.

Yes, I already understand, thank you. You clearly desire to portray Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals.

Actually one might question YOUR input thus far in this thread because it seems you are unhappy that Turkish and TC criminals are getting exposed for their involvement in the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage... please explain yourself.

You question me because I won't engage in TC bashing?

[Get Real!]

Get Real! wrote:

Why don’t you tell us in your own words who/what is responsible for the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage if not those I blame in my posts?

Better yet, since you initiated this thread, why don't you explain your purpose for resurrecting an article that's 10 years old.

The article I made reference to gives a good account of one criminal’s illegal activities and the subsequent efforts made over a decade by various authorities across the globe to return some of these artifacts to Cyprus.

It is by no means the one and only criminal engaged in such activity, in fact the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage is an ONGOING illegality even today as many otherwise law-abiding citizens in the north have in their possession stolen artifacts displayed and/or hidden away in their homes.

Yes, I already understand, thank you. You clearly desire to portray Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals.

Actually one might question YOUR input thus far in this thread because it seems you are unhappy that Turkish and TC criminals are getting exposed for their involvement in the destruction of occupied Cyprus’ cultural heritage... please explain yourself.

You question me because I won't engage in TC bashing?

Is that what I'm saying here? Please read it again carefully and explain yourself.

[phoenix]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

No subterfuge on my part, dear Phoenix. If you followed this thread from its beginning you would see that my commentary was not "added." I made my position clear from the start, and you helped to affirm it, but I thank you for the ethics lesson just the same.

I clearly said the two posts of yours to which I replied . . . so if you wish to be dishonest too that's your prerogative.

You appear to have had a pre-existing agenda to object to the thread.

This is my last comment to you on this matter as we are moving away from an important topic.

[phoenix]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

You are standing by a President that is a criminal and you dare to try and besmirch the name of an entire nation.

Zan the President is not a criminal . . . you just live in hope. BUT are you now claiming that if that were the case, it would excuse you from crimes?

[zan]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

You are standing by a President that is a criminal and you dare to try and besmirch the name of an entire nation.

Zan the President is not a criminal . . . you just live in hope. BUT are you now claiming that if that were the case, it would excuse you from crimes?

Your president has been shown up for what he is and I would think he would even think you a fool for supporting him but then again he has taken all the GCs for fools.

Hiss actions would not excuse me from crimes because I have not committed any. I have suffered at thee hands of those that have though and Tpap is one of them.

[Filitsa]

phoenix wrote:

Yes, those are both FRUITS and what I am referring to are both CRIMES! . . . Filitsa.

So I'm correct in my understanding that the purpose of this thread is to implicate Turks and Turkish Cypriots as criminals. Thank you for the clarification.

I was replying to your post about the relevance of something being 10 years old and whether it was still important . . . which of course it is.

Whatever the start point of the thread . . . It is my view that both the TCs and Turkey are responsible for these crimes.

Filitsa . . both times that I replied to your posts, you then went on to add further commentary. That is subterfuge, so please don't post till you've said what is on your mind. Highly unethical practice!

No subterfuge on my part, dear Phoenix. If you followed this thread from its beginning you would see that my commentary was not "added." I made my position clear from the start, and you helped to affirm it, but I thank you for the ethics lesson just the same.

I clearly said the two posts of yours to which I replied . . . so if you wish to be dishonest too that's your prerogative.

You appear to have had a pre-existing agenda to object to the thread.

This is my last comment to you on this matter as we are moving away from an important topic.

(Ye of multiple virtual personalities speaks to me on ethics and dishonesty. Now ain't that "the pot calling the kettle black"! )

Although you may have "clearly said the two posts of yours to which I replied," it would be "unethical" to isolate them from the context of this thread as they were written within the context of this thread and intended to be understood within the context of this thread.

Look at the title of this thread and the sarcasm in GR's initial post, Phoenix. Do they reflect a sincere concern for looted Cypriot antiquities? Seems to me his point is to shame Turkish Cypriots ... at least that's what the title says. What I find "highly unethical" and shameful is exploitation ... the exploitation of a topic as serious as stolen Cypriot antiquities for the destructive purpose of disparaging Turkish Cypriots in general. This is what this thread, and the resurrection of an article 10 years old, amounts to.

[Nikitas]

The antiquities theft is part of a larger picture. The picture contains money laundering, property usurpation, gambling, giving safe haven to international fugitives that can afford the cost, and perhaps more that we do not know.

Obviously it is not the general population of Turkish Cypriots who are indulging in this free for all. Just as obvious is the presence of a class of people who have colluded with the invading army which is the real source of power and this class is indulging in wholesale pillage of the north.

The antiquities theft is accomplishing another goal: it removes the signs of Greek presence and that suits some "patriotic nationalists" in the north. Dikmen is not an old story, cases arising from artifacts he dealt in are coming to the fore all the time in Europe. Where is the indictment filed against him in courts of the TRNC? That is the missing part of this story and the most vital. This is not said to disparage anyone, just to make them think of what is going on around them hoping that they will ask the right questions.